Why I like aquariums for snakes/rant/point being made

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More and more these days, everybody from "noob" too "expert" always recommends and states in forums and care sheets that snakes do best in rubber maid totes and storage bins. I also see a lot of people talking about how many snakes they have and the just show a 10 bin rack as the set up. Just take a look on youtube, tons of videos of people sliding open drawers and taking out snakes that are far to large for the enclosure they are house in.

A big point made is that snakes feel safer in opaque caging and that bins and tubs hold humidity better...

Now this is how I see things, most snakes grow and grow quick. Keeping them in a inexpensive tote or two as it grows is perfectly acceptable and smart thing to do for the first year maybe two of it's life.

I keep snakes, reptiles, because I love them. Not to make money, not to be different, not to cover costs or any of that. They are simply the animal I love to keep and so I do so. Now because I love my pets, I like to see them and give them a nice place to live. For example, I keep my adult female western hognose in a 23 gallon long tank. She is not a very large snake, maybe just over 2 feet but she uses every inch of that tank and then some, and I love watching her. I don't understand how an individual can keep something they love and never see it.

Now about the animal being more secure. I provide two hides, one on the warm side and one on the cold side and I have never had a problem with feeding or stress or anything in that respect. Let's take a look at humidity, it is simply water vapor in the air. Glass holds in water and fish... So someone telling you they are bad for humidity is totally false.

Really, I like to provide a cage long enough for a active snake to stretch out. I only keep snakes in aquariums up to 4 feet long. This is because they are lightweight and relatively inexpensive. For larger cages, for my two boas and future large snakes, I build my own. I know not everyone is as DIY as me but it is possible to purchase them pre-made. I have a hard time grasping how so many people keep "pets" in such bad conditions. One of my largest complaints is a 4-5 foot female ball python being housed in a tote, 33 inches long 14 inches wide and 6 inches tall.

I hope I am not the only one who feels this way. Many snakes such are carpet pythons, retics, and boas love to climb but are denied it. Even the ball python will utilize branches when provided. All I want is the animals, our pets, the living thing who rely on us for survival to have a good home, is that to much to ask?
 
Being an european herper, i tottally see yout point ( though aquariums are not the best method also :) )

There is nothing worse, imho, than your US rack system.
 
i feel the same way, i had a ball python in a 40 breeder, ( think he was a little over 3 foot? ) and i felt that tank was to small, sold the snake to a couple that has many other snakes, so i am sure the snake has a good home, better then what i can provide.. thinking of getting another snake, another ball python.. but dont know yet.
 
I am looking at buying a camera shortly so I can take pictures of my animals to show how I am doing.

I own a ball python. Only reason is because my ex (gf at the time) wanted one, once we split I got stuck with it. I love the snake, her adult cage is partially built. It is 36" long, 24" wide and 16" tall. It is made of maple plywood and I plan on staining and urathaning it. Should look beautifulll :)

Miguel, we have both been on here for some time, share your experiences with what the Europeans do :)
 
Very few of us use box or rack systems. We consider a vivarium a living tableau of nature. Our snakes are kept in as close looking natural habitat as possible, not only in temps, gradients and rh, but in trems if replicating the habitat, with substrate, plants, etc...

On a quick note, that is more or less it...i will post pox soon...
 
I note on humidity in tanks.. An aquarium with a screen top is terrible for holding humidity. You need to seal it up or it goes right out the top. Once sealed they work well.
 
I agree. My opinion has always been that unless you are a large scale breeder, racks are pointless. I like to view my animals and enjoy them. I have 3 very large vivariums/ paludariums for some of my animals and even the ones that are not as nice still have mulch substrate, multiple natural hides, drift wood decorations, vines and branches, and a nice open window for me to be able to watch them. None of that newspaper and sterilite nonsense.

As far as aquariums holding humidity, I agree that they do just fine when paired with the proper substrate and water bowl. Mulch, reptibark, sani chips, eco earth, etc. are all much better at holding humidity than a sheet of newspaper that is often used in racks. If you have a tropical animal it should probably have a larger water bowl any ways and this will also keep the humidity up. Also the ambient rh should be taken into account. In my house remains around 60-65% so I have more leeway when it comes to housing tropical reptiles but I have a hard time keeping desert enclosures properly arid. To say that an aquarium style set up is bad is BS. It is a proven way to keep animals securely and safely and healthily as long as it is done with some thought about the animal going in it.
 
When I had my ball python Jake (only a longtime wrestling fan will catch that...) he was in an aquarium with mulch, a warming rock, water, mini tree etc, and the humidity was just perfect IMO as he never had issues molting.

I had him out quite often as well as he liked to curl up on me when I would be lazing & reading a book, or he would slither off into the large fake tree that I had in the livingroom for him. Ball pythons have great character; I miss him often. (Long story about where he went, but it involves a cruel ex husband).
 
I feel the same about some of the things you say, a snake should be able to stretch out when it wants to, its probably good for its mental and physical well being.

It wouldnt be practical for a guy who kept 50 snakes, to have 50, 4' x2' x2' cages in a room.
Its just a way for them to keep more snakes in a smaller amount of space. Im not saying its right though.

Aquariums are not bad, they just have disadvantages.
1 No front access...
Theres nothing like walking up to a cage and sliding a glass door to the right or left and doing what you gotta do, if I have to remove things from the top of my cage, and then remove the top itself, its just extra work for me. who needs it, I have enough to do, Lol

2 Glass is a terrible insulater, it has very little R value.
If you live in a colder climate or the room you keep your animals in, is a little on the cool side,
aquariums are not a best choice.
Wood and pvc type plastic cages hold heat in much better. Bob
 
Chris, if you need a dry enclosure just leave the screen top and use a high wattage bulb, it'll dry the air out nicely. Wouldn't do it in anything but an aquarium though, because it will superheat the air if the heat can't escape the cage.
 
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