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Why is the ban on Asian Arowanas still up?!
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People always want what they can't have. I think a lot of people will burn them then a lot of people will try to flip them.
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In Asia there is an oversupply of Asian Arowanas.
Prices of golden arowanas have crashed.
Green Arowanas are like worthless (People give them free)
They are officially dirt cheap now you can get Golden Arowanas (RTG) for like 50 USD
Hope they can release the ban soon as Arowanas are not Endangered anymore, in fact they are like too common and over supplied.
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120430-342823.html
Prices of golden arowanas have crashed.
Green Arowanas are like worthless (People give them free)
They are officially dirt cheap now you can get Golden Arowanas (RTG) for like 50 USD
Hope they can release the ban soon as Arowanas are not Endangered anymore, in fact they are like too common and over supplied.
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120430-342823.html
The problem is that there are not enough fish keepers out there; certainly not as vocal as environmental groups...
So some politician with this decision will ask: How many people will I piss off if don't do anything vs how many people will I piss off if I reverse the ban...
So some politician with this decision will ask: How many people will I piss off if don't do anything vs how many people will I piss off if I reverse the ban...
The article you have posted states though that the price of the higher quality such as Golden Head XBack Asian Arowana have gone up. While the price of lower grade Arowanas has dropped. If they were legal I would keep an aquarium with about 10 Asian Arowana's.
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The post isn't true the price of higher grade aro has also dropped
I have kept 9 high grade in one tank and trust me they do better on their own so don't waste your money buying 10
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I don't know a tremendous amount about the asian arowana regulations, but what i do have to say is if some group caught 4 wild ones ( 2 male. 2 female. ) Then started a breeding group from there and worked on releasing them into heavily guarded natural ponds ( with federal backing of course) and lakes. In a good amount of years you would have a steady flow of new blood to reintroduce into the natural unguarded habitats. (Only after evaluating the safest areas free from any future industrial or federal waterway projects.)
That being said. If the ban were to be lifted as i believe someone stated before, home breeders in the US would pope up everywhere. Then as with all new or rare hard to breed fish, a few great keepers would get it down to a science. (Now i'm not saying that it's a must) but the government could reapply the ban after being notified of this consistence of captive breeding. There by halting any unsavory characters bringing wild one over. Some one also mentioned how in Asia the water ways are being tampered with and this is highly effecting the numbers of the wild Asian arowana. If that is true then keeping the ban or lifting the ban without well planned aggressive breeding projects would have no effect on their wild numbers at all. Mainly because their really enemy seems to be the decline of or assault on there home water ways. Meaning the number will eventually either say the same or decline even more.
Now going back to the theoretical *master* Asian arowana breeders in the US. They would obviously keep the price tags extremely high for a while and you might see a selling pattern similar to flower horns or sting rays where the breeding is focused on the shape, patterns, color ex that you wont normally if ever see in the wild, there for the prices would rarely drop that low. What draw most Americans to the Asian arowana seems to usually be ( this is from here say ), " oh the amazing colors." " Those perfect shaped fins." "They get such great color variants. " Common, even some experienced fish keepers will normally go for the more flashy fish but dont always wanna pay the price. (True fish geeks) on the other hand, will gladly scratch and save for that perfect wild specimen or wild lookalike. To them purity really matures.
all im trying to say here is i dont know why some people stand by the ban and just worry that the lift of the ban will negatively effect the wild numbers. how ever i don't hear of anyone making a solid plan on how to increase those number in their present endangered position.Then i also hear of people who want to lift the ban, but they have no plan either to make sure the new US Asian Arowana generations stay strong and can be controlled so at some point we no longer need any more imports. ... These are just a few of the more important convos i think we should be having rather then. " When are they gonna lift the ban???! "
. All comments are welcome.
That being said. If the ban were to be lifted as i believe someone stated before, home breeders in the US would pope up everywhere. Then as with all new or rare hard to breed fish, a few great keepers would get it down to a science. (Now i'm not saying that it's a must) but the government could reapply the ban after being notified of this consistence of captive breeding. There by halting any unsavory characters bringing wild one over. Some one also mentioned how in Asia the water ways are being tampered with and this is highly effecting the numbers of the wild Asian arowana. If that is true then keeping the ban or lifting the ban without well planned aggressive breeding projects would have no effect on their wild numbers at all. Mainly because their really enemy seems to be the decline of or assault on there home water ways. Meaning the number will eventually either say the same or decline even more.
Now going back to the theoretical *master* Asian arowana breeders in the US. They would obviously keep the price tags extremely high for a while and you might see a selling pattern similar to flower horns or sting rays where the breeding is focused on the shape, patterns, color ex that you wont normally if ever see in the wild, there for the prices would rarely drop that low. What draw most Americans to the Asian arowana seems to usually be ( this is from here say ), " oh the amazing colors." " Those perfect shaped fins." "They get such great color variants. " Common, even some experienced fish keepers will normally go for the more flashy fish but dont always wanna pay the price. (True fish geeks) on the other hand, will gladly scratch and save for that perfect wild specimen or wild lookalike. To them purity really matures.
all im trying to say here is i dont know why some people stand by the ban and just worry that the lift of the ban will negatively effect the wild numbers. how ever i don't hear of anyone making a solid plan on how to increase those number in their present endangered position.Then i also hear of people who want to lift the ban, but they have no plan either to make sure the new US Asian Arowana generations stay strong and can be controlled so at some point we no longer need any more imports. ... These are just a few of the more important convos i think we should be having rather then. " When are they gonna lift the ban???! "
. All comments are welcome.
Agreed. Its rather easy to obtain an asian arrowana in the states if you're willing to shed out some doe. I find if asians are legal then there will be an abundant amount of people shoving them in 55 gallons for the rest of their life. If a individual spend 5k on a single fish you're more likely to take care of it as in proper maintenance, tank size, and feed.
2 males and 2 females would be a very very small gene pool
And seeing as some Asian aro don't reach maturity until 6 years this would be a very long time before any would be set free
Another thing you have to take into account is as far as I know Asian aro have never been bred outside of Asia so what makes anyone think that setting up a breeding project in the US would be anymore successful than in any other country
Most of the hotter States in the US don't allow many large fish as it is ie Florida so why would they make a exception for a non native fish that could be released and damage native fish
Look they are banned in the US simple as that just move on and think about keeping other fish
I know for a fact if they was banned in the UK every time I saw a picture posted of one I wouldn't comment I wish we could keep them in the UK
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I am just reading was was written in the article and the article states that the price of the higher grade Asian Arowana's has gone up.
As far as keeping 10 Arowana's in a large aquarium, dude I have dreamed, planned, and had aspirations of owning a monster Arowana aquarium since the early 1980's. If Asian Arowana's become legal I am absolutely going to make my dream happen and I am going for 10!
I would be extremely surprised if breeding ponds for aquaculture Asian Arowana's start here in the USA. Here in the USA we are extremely strict about allowing invasive species into our waterways let alone aquaculture farming invasive species that could become established in our waterways. The Common Carp (Cyprinus carpio) and Grass Carp (Ctenopharyngodon idella) are examples of invasive species that were brought here to be a positive to North American fisheries ecosystem and turner out to be a disaster.
Plus as stated above Asian Arowanas have not been proven to thrive and breed in an aquaculture setting outside of Southeast Asia. At this time I think it is safe to say that the majority for now and the near future for CITES aquaculture Asian Arowana's is going to be Southeast Asia and most certain not the USA (at least not in outside ponds where they could become invasive species).
I may not speak for everyone, however I think absolutely Asian Arowana's would sell here in the USA.
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Jeremy A. Rich
