Why New Life Spectrum ?

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haha (Doromin was like if you made trout chow into chinese crunchy noodles!) thats funny! I actually still carry it for the old schoolers that still believe in it.
I do feed frozen/live worms etc. to discus, rays, baby p bass etc. Some of these guys will not eat much else even NLS.
I actually feed some of the HBH foods that are pretty good.
 
HBH SuperSoft is good for weaning off live, my knife actually raced to it the second time I fed it. He eats NLS now too, but before I got him started on the SuperSoft he wouldn't even look at it. My senegal will eat anything that resembles food, he took an algae wafer for a death roll yesterday.:ROFL:
 
When i first picked up my africans the cichlid dude at lfs recommended NLS too me and I bought a cylinder. My red zebra loved it, so did my melanochromis johanni even though he was a little small for the size I bought.

I had no idea it was a controversial food, but my fish liked it.
 
omojena;2897529; said:
NLS will kill ur afrians eventually. first ingredient is kril and thats loaded with amino acids. if fed as a staple daily your african WILL suffer from liver damage and die!

omojena;2897580; said:
yes i do but african cichlids are for the most part herbivore. a hight protein food that derives its main protein source from krill as NLS does (i.e. its the first ingredient) will not be easliy digested by the afrian cichlids. in the long term, the african cichlids liver will take the brunt of hit by having to break down those amino acids that are in the krill. do some research and then come back to me. p.s. have you ever disected a fish that has been fed NLS??? i have... they ALLL get fatty liver disease!

omojena;2897716; said:
NLS works VERY well because its first ingredient is krill. if the great results that you see are quick growth and bright colors then you WILL get them from NLS because krill is the first ingredient. krill is loaded with astathanxin and castathanxin and that WILL color up your fish. it is also loaded with protein (about 61% @ dry weight) which is great for growth and is great to feed in small amounts i.e. a few times a week, but its not ok to be fed as the main ingredient in a staple diet. a diet very rich in high end amino acids is fine for a bit but after a while the liver begins to over-work and become fatty because it begins to loose its ability to metabolize the amino's. i'm not saying that NLS will kill your fish in a week... in fact... fed as ONE of the foods in your fish's diets amoung others on a rotational basis its great!!! however, feed only NLS to your fish every day and it will die.... which is not the case for many of the reputable foods on the market. there are foods on the market that can be fed daily for a fish's entire life and the fish will live long and healthy as its supposed to. do some research and you will find that there are only a handful of companies out there that do research their diets and their long term effects and i know as a fact that NLS doesnt.


I agree with the group here. You are stating the NLS os the only fish food that causes this? have you dissected fish the fed off of other foods? Do you have a background in animal nutrition? What are your statistics on this, how many died/lived? How old were the fish, 2yrs, 5yrs, 15yrs? Lot of unanswered questions here for you to make such a brash assumption.
 
Somethingfishyinc.net;2898406; said:
haha, guess you did not get it. I have been in/working the pet industry for 25 years. Before Science Diet there was grocery store pet foods, Bil Jac etc. Then SD came out & sold from vet clinics then to from the independant pet store as being the best food to feed your dog & cat. Then others came out to compete with better ingrediants etc. It was expample. For years Tetra & Wardley were the stapel fish foods. I still have unopened Wardley, Hartz fish foods from 30+ years ago that cost $.29 from a hardware store.
I remember Tetra Doromin, Dorogreen then Dicus bits were the main food everyone fed their cichlids. Now its rarely used. But this maybe a little before your time for some?

anyway
enough said
Thank you for your response much appreciated everyone.

Lots of experience you got there somethingfishy! :headbang2:headbang2
 
Keep the posts comin fellas !
 
Is that a Boston terrier or a boxer in your avatar? Its a beautiful dog.
 
Welcome to the internet, the land of misinformation where in the absence of facts experts abound!


NLS does not cause fatty liver disease, and many people (myself included) have tanks full of mature fish where NLS has been fed exclusively for several years. (including those classified as strict herbivores)

I've been feeding a mix of carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores an exclusive diet of NLS for the past 5 years, and I have seen the results of fish that have been on this same diet for years longer than my fish, and have yet to see, or even hear of any type of premature death in anyones fish, let alone any cases of fatty liver disease.


In the wild, the cichlids found in the Rift Lakes have evolved & adapted to living in certain niches of the lake, which over time has forced them to become specialized feeders. (as per Ad Konings) Yet all of these specialized feeders will readily eat anything that's available. (as per Ad Konings)

While a fish classified as a strict herbivore (such as a Tropheus moorii) may indeed spend its entire day scraping the aufwuchs, I can assure you that they would much rather eat a handful of worms if given the opportunity. In the wild they eat low quality foods because that's the only foods available, not because they choose to!

And while certain species such as Tropheus sp. may in fact be classified by the scientific community as strict herbivores, the reality is that even though algae dominates the stomach contents, the actual foods that make them grow are insect nymphs and larvae, crustaceans, snails, mites, micro-organisms, and zoo plankton, not vegetable matter. (as per Ad Konings)

Their long digestive tracts are designed as such so that in nature they can break down the complex plant matter that they consume, which doesn't mean that they can't properly assimilate more easily digestible forms of protein. Apparently this is a concept that some hobbyists fail to grasp.


Keep in mind that the vast majority of fish are opportunistic feeders, and are all omnivorous to a certain extent. Cichlids classified as carnivores don't just eat meat, any more than a herbivorous cichlid just consumes vegetable matter.

Taking another fish classified as a herbivore, the Atlantic Blue Tang, although they too are indeed algae browsers, through feed trial studies we now know that they require much more than algae to be maintained long term in captivity.

Several years ago Dr. Ruth Francis-Floyd from the University of Florida performed a study on the captive nutritional management of herbivorous reef fish. She used Atlantic Blue Tangs as her test subjects, and this study clearly proved that this species would not do well on seaweed alone. On this so called "natural" diet of washed seaweed, over the course of a few months the fish suffered a large mortality rate of approximately 80 percent, with the surviving fish all showing clinical signs of malnourishment.


I look at it this way, all wild fish are opportunistic feeders, and will eat pretty much anything that comes their way, and while herbivores may in fact consume large amounts of plant matter, and carnivores may in fact eat large amounts of fish based foods, that plant matter often contains certain amounts of nymphs, larvae, crustaceans, snails, mites, micro-organisms, and zoo plankton, and the smaller fish that the larger carnivores consume are typically gut loaded with phytoplankton (which consists of microscopic plants), so in actuality all of the Rift Lakes cichlids consume the same types of protein, fats, carbs, etc, just in varying degrees.

Fish simply excrete excess protein, it doesn't build up in dangerous levels as excess fat can, so you're certainly not harming a herbivore IF you feed a slightly higher protein content than what that fish would typically eat in the wild.

This is yet another one of those urban legends about herbivorous cichlids, that being that foods that are high in protein cause bloat, which for the most part is total nonsense. Foods that are high in poorly digestible grains may cause dietary bloat, but protein itself is not the enemy.

Now if one considers the fact that high quality proteins such as krill, herring, mussel, etc, are THE most expensive raw ingredients used in ANY commercially prepared fish food, it only stands to reason that no fish food manufacturer in their right mind is going to use excessive amounts of these raw ingredients. This is exactly why some manufacturers use low cost protein sources and also boost the crude fat percent so that there's no chance that the more costly protein will ever be utilized as an energy source. (they save $$$$)

In other words, in the case of excess protein in commercial fish foods, for the most part you are worrying about nothing.

In the case of excess protein in NLS, I guarantee you that you are worrying about nothing.

With only 5% crude fat, it's an absolute guarantee that pretty much all species, especially high energy species, are going to cut into some of the protein as an energy source. While most manufacturers might view this type of feed design as poor business, or a waste of potential revenue (as fat is far less expensive than protein) Pablo has always put the health & well being of the fish at the forefront.

And kudos to him for doing so.


Fatty liver disease (which isn't actually a disease) is caused by a diet that is excessive in fats, and/or grains, which are stored as fat if not used immediately as an energy source.

If/when excessive protein is consumed by a fish, it is deaminated & excreted as waste. While this process does require energy, and can cause a reduction in growth of the fish (if excessive), and will add unwanted polution to ones tank, with New Life's cichlid formula being in the 34% protein range this is obviously not a cause for concern. There are quite a few raw ingredients that make up this formula, beyond Antarctic Krill.

HTH
 
However from the marine aspect of the hobby, it is said to be formulated in such a way that specialist feeders (butterflyfish, large marine angels, and they advertise moorish idols but NO) can thrive on a 'standard' diet.

Like I just said though, do NOT put Moorish Idols in an advertisement for anything but dead Moorish Idols.


FYI - Pablo Tepoot, the creator of NLS, has kept a number of Moorish Idol (long term) successfully on an exclusive diet of his food. As have many others.

Kieron Dodds, from Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine wrote an article on the Moorish Idol last year, titled; "Still Impossible After All These Years - Keeping Moorish Idol". He clearly admits that the main intent of his article was to discourage anyone from acquiring this species, as he feels this species has almost no chance in being kept alive in captivity beyond a very short duration. At one point he states "Pablo Tepoot is perhaps the single individual who has had the most success with this species"

Unfortunately Pablo lost his last group of Moorish Idol to an electrical failure during a hurricane, at that point Pablo had kept them thriving in captivity for 5 years. Something that most people would have considered impossible 15 or 20 yrs ago.

Not to say that all MI's will eat NLS, but those that do, seem to go one to live long healthy lives.

The following photo was sent to me by an associate of mine, who had been feeding this MI an exclusive diet of NLS for over 2 yrs.

Does it look dead to you? :D

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