Wolf ID Australis or Brasiliensis?
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The one I have cam from Ray (Amazing Fish)
He had several fish that were Labeled "Intermedius" the largest was almost 2'. IF Intermedius really don't get bigger then 10" then we all must be wrong... lol.
Maybe these are all Australis then and the one I bought from Wes as Australis is really Intermedius, cause it seems to have stopped and stayed stuck around 10-12".
I'm going to have to just have a Wolf wrangling weekend and I'm going to catch and photo every Wolf I have here. Maybe once we all argue (discuss) them for a few weeks we can all get a general baseline on how to ID the more common half dozen species or so.....
Well it's the brasi that's not supposed to get bigger than 10 inches. Supposedly and that's the claim but not sure because these fish have never been kept for long periods of time.
The main problems are the intermedius and brasi. They are the ones that their folds look "off" and cannot really say one way or another. Their folds can mimic other wolves a bit not completely.
But the agreement with everyone and even braveheart when he was till here is that pores and LL never lie.
Yea....when you get those photos I'll be looking forward to seeing them.
The main problems are the intermedius and brasi. They are the ones that their folds look "off" and cannot really say one way or another. Their folds can mimic other wolves a bit not completely.
But the agreement with everyone and even braveheart when he was till here is that pores and LL never lie.
Yea....when you get those photos I'll be looking forward to seeing them.
That's not to far off. If it's a few inches shorter or bigger then it may qualify. Not too far off and still smaller than the other wolves which is consistent. These fish haven't been kept often and long enough to know. Maybe can now find out with DB's wolves.
I've been snagging all the odd ball ones I can and here's some observations from someone keeping all these things under 1 roof.
IF there is a Hoplias that stays small I believe I have one possibly 2 (other is too small to tell yet). The guy hit 8-10" in no time flat (grew faster then Aimara) then filled out a bunch. This thing is as thick as the Iguaza that went sailing right past him in growth - Iguaza is now around 16" and the other has slowed/stopped around 10-12". Now this wolf is very different looking - fat short snubby face. The thing looks like a cross between a Hoplias and a Gold wolf. Jaw folds are a mile apart like Lacs or Aimara. (Maybe the real Intermedius?)
Now I believe I may have another of this species. Bought from Ken as a "green Lacerdae". Now all the Lacs I know and to me what sets Lacs apart is the giant hump back. This fish has NO hump. Looks just like the wolf I'm describing above but smaller.
The Wolf I acquired from Ray (Amazing Fish) was labeled Intermedius, BUT he had several fish, some as large as 2'. What sets these wolfs apart to me is their big head. Their head seems out of proprtion in relation to their bodies. Was very noticeable on his larger fish. No hunchback on these guys. There's a member on here who got a larger one from Ken and his fits this "big head" description, as his fish looks like Raymond's. Again sold as a "Green Lac" just like mine was. (Australis perhaps?)
Then there's the Iguaza/cf Panara Lac. Jaw folds like a Mala, big hump back like Aimara or my lower Xingu Lacerdae "Lucy". Red fins. My First "Iguaza" was sold as an Argentinian Lac I believe. Very light colored base color, looks just like the CF Panara Lacs but lighter. The CF Panaras have identical body shape but are starting to turn a darkish almost brickish red. (suspect "Iguaza" BUT could these also be the same fish that we sometimes see called Red Aimara???)
Then there's Wes's green eyed Lacs..... Mine are too small yet to really make any observations in relation to the other wolves, but they seem different then all my others.
Then there's Lucy the Lower Xingu Lac, a sole remaining Gold wolf, and an Aimara. But don't think there's any question on these guys.
Might be time to start a new thread....... But first I'm going to have to figure out the best way to get jaw shots and pore counts of all these things without getting bit.
Anyone have any ideas how to make the pores easier to see? What would be the best way to photo them so I can be sure I get the pores????
IF there is a Hoplias that stays small I believe I have one possibly 2 (other is too small to tell yet). The guy hit 8-10" in no time flat (grew faster then Aimara) then filled out a bunch. This thing is as thick as the Iguaza that went sailing right past him in growth - Iguaza is now around 16" and the other has slowed/stopped around 10-12". Now this wolf is very different looking - fat short snubby face. The thing looks like a cross between a Hoplias and a Gold wolf. Jaw folds are a mile apart like Lacs or Aimara. (Maybe the real Intermedius?)
Now I believe I may have another of this species. Bought from Ken as a "green Lacerdae". Now all the Lacs I know and to me what sets Lacs apart is the giant hump back. This fish has NO hump. Looks just like the wolf I'm describing above but smaller.
The Wolf I acquired from Ray (Amazing Fish) was labeled Intermedius, BUT he had several fish, some as large as 2'. What sets these wolfs apart to me is their big head. Their head seems out of proprtion in relation to their bodies. Was very noticeable on his larger fish. No hunchback on these guys. There's a member on here who got a larger one from Ken and his fits this "big head" description, as his fish looks like Raymond's. Again sold as a "Green Lac" just like mine was. (Australis perhaps?)
Then there's the Iguaza/cf Panara Lac. Jaw folds like a Mala, big hump back like Aimara or my lower Xingu Lacerdae "Lucy". Red fins. My First "Iguaza" was sold as an Argentinian Lac I believe. Very light colored base color, looks just like the CF Panara Lacs but lighter. The CF Panaras have identical body shape but are starting to turn a darkish almost brickish red. (suspect "Iguaza" BUT could these also be the same fish that we sometimes see called Red Aimara???)
Then there's Wes's green eyed Lacs..... Mine are too small yet to really make any observations in relation to the other wolves, but they seem different then all my others.
Then there's Lucy the Lower Xingu Lac, a sole remaining Gold wolf, and an Aimara. But don't think there's any question on these guys.
Might be time to start a new thread....... But first I'm going to have to figure out the best way to get jaw shots and pore counts of all these things without getting bit.
Anyone have any ideas how to make the pores easier to see? What would be the best way to photo them so I can be sure I get the pores????
