Worried about black aro. Suddenly skittish

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Hi, friends! I’ve looked at this forum for a long time, but just joined, because I have concerns about my fish.

For context, I am an experienced aquarist (~35 years of keeping tanks), so I know the basics, but I have never kept an arowana until recently.

So, I got a 265g tank last year, and decided to try this. I bought a black arowana, about 5”, in November and put it in with a 6” oscar, a 5” NGT datnoid, and a big school of tiger silver dollars. Since then I have added three bala sharks, a severum, and a fire eel, all smaller than everyone else.

The aro was a little shy, hanging out by one overflow most of the time, but I’ve been amazed with how well he’s doing. He started eating flake food immediately, then Hikari sticks and Massivore, eventually. He became less shy over time, and now goes after the food almost as aggressively as the oscar. I feed once on most days, occasionally skipping, alternating between the prepared food and chopped frozen shrimp.

Five months later, the fish is about 12” and has never had any obvious health issues. He still occasionally eats the flake food that I feed for the smaller silver dollars. Has still been mostly hanging out in the same place until recently. I never observe aggression among anything in the tank.

A couple of weeks ago, he started acting differently, moving to the other side of the tank often, and seems increasingly skittish, and I don’t get why. He still eats, but I’m concerned that he’s acting so nervous, moving quickly (not darting) from one side of the tank to the other every time I walk by, occasionally pressing himself back into a corner when I approach the tank.

Some notes and additional info...

Tank is 265 gallons, with reasonably high flow (a huge wet/dry plus a Fluval FX6. 78 to 79 degrees. pH isn’t optimal, I have hard water. It’s close to 8, but I’m resistant to worrying about pH. I’ve always had hard water, and kept all kinds of fish. I have discus and neon tetras thriving in this water, and anyway, the behavior change is recent. Ammonia and nitrite are never evident. Once concern is nitrate. I change 80 to 90 gallons of water (30%) at least once per week, and often twice, but nitrates are consistently 20 to 30 ppm. I feed heavily. Planning to do several consecutive 50% changes and add extra Purigen to see if I can get it down. But again, the behavior change is recent, and the aro has seemed perfectly fine for months, so I’m puzzled.

Tank is in my office, between my bedroom and the rest of the house, so I walk by it many times a day, always have. Walking by the tank never made the fish skittish until the last couple of weeks.

Any ideas what might be causing this? Thanks!
 
Hi, friends! I’ve looked at this forum for a long time, but just joined, because I have concerns about my fish.

For context, I am an experienced aquarist (~35 years of keeping tanks), so I know the basics, but I have never kept an arowana until recently.

So, I got a 265g tank last year, and decided to try this. I bought a black arowana, about 5”, in November and put it in with a 6” oscar, a 5” NGT datnoid, and a big school of tiger silver dollars. Since then I have added three bala sharks, a severum, and a fire eel, all smaller than everyone else.

The aro was a little shy, hanging out by one overflow most of the time, but I’ve been amazed with how well he’s doing. He started eating flake food immediately, then Hikari sticks and Massivore, eventually. He became less shy over time, and now goes after the food almost as aggressively as the oscar. I feed once on most days, occasionally skipping, alternating between the prepared food and chopped frozen shrimp.

Five months later, the fish is about 12” and has never had any obvious health issues. He still occasionally eats the flake food that I feed for the smaller silver dollars. Has still been mostly hanging out in the same place until recently. I never observe aggression among anything in the tank.

A couple of weeks ago, he started acting differently, moving to the other side of the tank often, and seems increasingly skittish, and I don’t get why. He still eats, but I’m concerned that he’s acting so nervous, moving quickly (not darting) from one side of the tank to the other every time I walk by, occasionally pressing himself back into a corner when I approach the tank.

Some notes and additional info...

Tank is 265 gallons, with reasonably high flow (a huge wet/dry plus a Fluval FX6. 78 to 79 degrees. pH isn’t optimal, I have hard water. It’s close to 8, but I’m resistant to worrying about pH. I’ve always had hard water, and kept all kinds of fish. I have discus and neon tetras thriving in this water, and anyway, the behavior change is recent. Ammonia and nitrite are never evident. Once concern is nitrate. I change 80 to 90 gallons of water (30%) at least once per week, and often twice, but nitrates are consistently 20 to 30 ppm. I feed heavily. Planning to do several consecutive 50% changes and add extra Purigen to see if I can get it down. But again, the behavior change is recent, and the aro has seemed perfectly fine for months, so I’m puzzled.

Tank is in my office, between my bedroom and the rest of the house, so I walk by it many times a day, always have. Walking by the tank never made the fish skittish until the last couple of weeks.

Any ideas what might be causing this? Thanks!

Welcome to MFK! Man I gotta say I've pretty much given up on trying to psychoanalyze Arowana -- if Asians ever become legal in the U.S. there's going to be some therapists in Southern Cali making some serious extra bucks lol. The frustrating thing is you often don't know what's the reasoning behind their behavior -- is it something environmental, or an ailment that's bothering them, are they just being whimsical or are they intentionally trying to mess with your mind?!

So, any lighting changes? If there have been no environmental or water parameter changes then my guess would be it's either just a temporary phase it's going through, or possibly some other fish in the tank is/are causing it stress (could be happening at night when you're sleeping -- Datnoids can often be more active, even mischievous at night and I've heard NGT's can be more aggressive/outgoing than other Dats, though of course this is just throwing ideas on the table). I'd keep an eye out for nipped fins on your Aro or other physical changes and monitor the situation for now, hopefully others might have some additional input, keep us updated.
 
Thanks for the welcome!

TBH this is a fairly subtle issue, and I realize it’s unlikely I will come up with a clear-cut solution. I just like all my fish happy, and if the aro is always nervous, I won’t likely keep it, so I’m doing whatever I can to figure it out.

RE: lighting and the NGT...it’s certainly possible something is happening at night, but the aro is twice as big as the NGT at this point. The lighting is on the dim side for this tank, and there have been no changes. I have a generic 4 foot LED fixture that’s not a plant light, and the tank is 30” deep, so it’s not intense. At each end I have a square AquaTop LED light, and this roughly evens out the light over the 7 foot length. The Aquatops have a green nighttime setting, and they remain on all night.

Also, you mentioned nipped fins, which brings up another aro question I had, and more possibly relevant info. This guy has had frayed fins from the start. I assumed they’d grow back, but they haven’t. All the searching on this forum and a few others leads mostly to people saying “fin rot,” but I’ve been skeptical. I’ve had fish for a long time, and anything I’ve called fin rot was highly degenerative, and got worse fast, and was very clearly bacterial...bloody areas, etc. This fish is otherwise healthy.

But about a month ago I gave in and decided to hit the tank with Melafix for a solid 10 days, just in case this diagnosis was correct. After 7 days, there was no improvement, and I had a 7” rhino pleco in that tank that turned up dead, so I stopped treating. I figured the Melafix might have reduced dissolved oxygen and caused general stress, and maybe plecs don’t like Melafix, but not sure. Ultimately I decided the NGT had probably killed the pleco, because they occasionally scrap, and used the same hideout hole sometimes.

I stopped treatment, and changed water, and it was at least a week later that I noticed a change in the aro’s behavior.

FWIW, the NGT is very outgoing, swimming all over 80% of the time, and I’ve never seen it bother anything, other than that plec, and that was usually a response to aggression from the plec.

Originally I also had a synspila in that tank, 5”. I actually saw that fish nip at the aro a few times, and I got rid of it the next day.
 
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I think its just going to a phase like mentioned above, i have 3 aros in one tank, sometime them get skittish specially when the light just turns on, But most of the time they they are chill. NGT are known to be the most aggressive dat, it sont matter if the aro is 2x bigger that the NGT, NGT can bully any other fish.
 
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If it's staying to one side sounds like something may be causing it to do so. I'd suspect one if the cichlids. Blacks are the least aggressive of aros easily push overs. Regular skittishness I would suspect if the SD or bala sharks are skittish they can freak the aro out as well, could've hit its head and is now just overly skittish. Only other thing fish in general sometimes get skittish over is water parameters. But otherwise can be a phase. I'd wait it out after a month or two then I'd be looking for a culprit.
 
I’m strongly suspecting the water parameters at this point, particularly nitrate. My Purigen was exhausted, and I kept forgetting to order more, and it got a lot higher than usual. Now it’s back in the 20ppm ballpark, after three 40%+ water changes, and the aro seems to be back to normal.
 
Thanks for the welcome!

TBH this is a fairly subtle issue, and I realize it’s unlikely I will come up with a clear-cut solution. I just like all my fish happy, and if the aro is always nervous, I won’t likely keep it, so I’m doing whatever I can to figure it out.

RE: lighting and the NGT...it’s certainly possible something is happening at night, but the aro is twice as big as the NGT at this point. The lighting is on the dim side for this tank, and there have been no changes. I have a generic 4 foot LED fixture that’s not a plant light, and the tank is 30” deep, so it’s not intense. At each end I have a square AquaTop LED light, and this roughly evens out the light over the 7 foot length. The Aquatops have a green nighttime setting, and they remain on all night.

Also, you mentioned nipped fins, which brings up another aro question I had, and more possibly relevant info. This guy has had frayed fins from the start. I assumed they’d grow back, but they haven’t. All the searching on this forum and a few others leads mostly to people saying “fin rot,” but I’ve been skeptical. I’ve had fish for a long time, and anything I’ve called fin rot was highly degenerative, and got worse fast, and was very clearly bacterial...bloody areas, etc. This fish is otherwise healthy.

But about a month ago I gave in and decided to hit the tank with Melafix for a solid 10 days, just in case this diagnosis was correct. After 7 days, there was no improvement, and I had a 7” rhino pleco in that tank that turned up dead, so I stopped treating. I figured the Melafix might have reduced dissolved oxygen and caused general stress, and maybe plecs don’t like Melafix, but not sure. Ultimately I decided the NGT had probably killed the pleco, because they occasionally scrap, and used the same hideout hole sometimes.

I stopped treatment, and changed water, and it was at least a week later that I noticed a change in the aro’s behavior.

FWIW, the NGT is very outgoing, swimming all over 80% of the time, and I’ve never seen it bother anything, other than that plec, and that was usually a response to aggression from the plec.

Originally I also had a synspila in that tank, 5”. I actually saw that fish nip at the aro a few times, and I got rid of it the next day.
It's the Melafix. For some reason arowanas never like it. There's something in it that's they never agree with. Most of the time it ends up killing them but looks like you got off easy.
 
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Thanks for the welcome!

TBH this is a fairly subtle issue, and I realize it’s unlikely I will come up with a clear-cut solution. I just like all my fish happy, and if the aro is always nervous, I won’t likely keep it, so I’m doing whatever I can to figure it out.

RE: lighting and the NGT...it’s certainly possible something is happening at night, but the aro is twice as big as the NGT at this point. The lighting is on the dim side for this tank, and there have been no changes. I have a generic 4 foot LED fixture that’s not a plant light, and the tank is 30” deep, so it’s not intense. At each end I have a square AquaTop LED light, and this roughly evens out the light over the 7 foot length. The Aquatops have a green nighttime setting, and they remain on all night.

Also, you mentioned nipped fins, which brings up another aro question I had, and more possibly relevant info. This guy has had frayed fins from the start. I assumed they’d grow back, but they haven’t. All the searching on this forum and a few others leads mostly to people saying “fin rot,” but I’ve been skeptical. I’ve had fish for a long time, and anything I’ve called fin rot was highly degenerative, and got worse fast, and was very clearly bacterial...bloody areas, etc. This fish is otherwise healthy.

But about a month ago I gave in and decided to hit the tank with Melafix for a solid 10 days, just in case this diagnosis was correct. After 7 days, there was no improvement, and I had a 7” rhino pleco in that tank that turned up dead, so I stopped treating. I figured the Melafix might have reduced dissolved oxygen and caused general stress, and maybe plecs don’t like Melafix, but not sure. Ultimately I decided the NGT had probably killed the pleco, because they occasionally scrap, and used the same hideout hole sometimes.

I stopped treatment, and changed water, and it was at least a week later that I noticed a change in the aro’s behavior.

FWIW, the NGT is very outgoing, swimming all over 80% of the time, and I’ve never seen it bother anything, other than that plec, and that was usually a response to aggression from the plec.

Originally I also had a synspila in that tank, 5”. I actually saw that fish nip at the aro a few times, and I got rid of it the next day.
Super old post but I have had 3 black arowanas in the past. 2 out of the 3 had some frayed fins that were apparent when I purchased them and never got better! They were all eating really well and good temperament. 0nitrite, 0ammonia, and less than 20 nitrates. I went to the extent and even used RODI water and remineralized it and kept TDS to less than 50! (Learned this from a YouTube guy who sells red Asian arowanas). And still didn’t help. Even tried General Cure, Ich X, and API meds nothing helped. All that aside, they all ate well and were very happy. There was only one black arowana I had with one very small fin damage but even that didn’t heal back. I’m starting to think it’s something in their genetics or require very specific water parameters bc most blacks are wild caught. Glad to read your post.
 
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