Xystichromis Kyoga Flamebacks

[tezr]

I'm assuming you don't think my kyogas are legit. These guys came from a legit breeder in Florida and the male has his horizontal stripes at times, they come and go. He shows it on some of his pics if you didn't see and he is also very washed out in the pics.

Easy now fella. Not saying anything about your fish just conducting my own research. I got a trio from a friend that are from Greg's line and my male shows a horizontal stripe all the time. I also got a single male from the auction but I have not looked up the seller yet but that one does not show the horizontal line as prominent as the other one does. Here is a pic of the male I have now that was taken by my friend.

Under common names on cichlid-forums they have 2 fish listed as Kyoga flamebacks. 1 is a haplochromis and the other is a xystichromis.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1550

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2611

According to Greg's article on the Xystichromis
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/x_kyoga_flameback.php

Xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flameback" has an elongated, laterally compressed "haplochromine" body shape. The cranial profile is straight or slightly convex with large eyes and a medium sized mouth. There is a broken and thickened mid lateral black bar running the length of the body from the caudal peduncle to the gill plate. In regards to male coloration, the top portion of the body, including the head is scarlet red. The lips and lower portion of the head is blue. The bottom portions of the flanks are lime-green and yellow. The dorsal fin is red foremost fading to blue at the rear while the caudal fin has blue streaks at the base flowing to completely red at the extremities. The anal fin is white-blue becoming red at the outer portion. The pelvic fins are jet-black. There is a straight black bar beginning at the corner of the lips and continuing through the eye. Female coloration is an unassuming tan-brown with the same markings found on the males. The lower jaw protrudes slightly beyond the upper. Bicuspid dentition is found in all but large adult males who show some unicuspid teeth in the outer rows. Wild populations are opportunistic insectivores who diet also consists of plant matter. Both sexes have an adult size of 12cm. These aspects are all consistent with the genus Xystichromis. Further research may result in a different or completely new designation, but for the time being, this seems to be the best fit.

According to the Aquabid add you linked to earlier it did not state that these were xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flamebacks" just that they were Kyoga flamebacks.

One of your females has the distint horizontal line as does Mayhemman's male. The pic of your now decesed sub dom male looks more like an xystichromis than your dom male from the pics. What is the name of this breeder in Florida?

 

[tydus]

Easy now fella. Not saying anything about your fish just conducting my own research. I got a trio from a friend that are from Greg's line and my male shows a horizontal stripe all the time. I also got a single male from the auction but I have not looked up the seller yet but that one does not show the horizontal line as prominent as the other one does. Here is a pic of the male I have now that was taken by my friend.

Under common names on cichlid-forums they have 2 fish listed as Kyoga flamebacks. 1 is a haplochromis and the other is a xystichromis.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1550

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2611

According to Greg's article on the Xystichromis
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/x_kyoga_flameback.php

According to the Aquabid add you linked to earlier it did not state that these were xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flamebacks" just that they were Kyoga flamebacks.

One of your females has the distint horizontal line as does Mayhemman's male. The pic of your now decesed sub dom male looks more like an xystichromis than your dom male from the pics. What is the name of this breeder in Florida?

You do realize that the two links you posted of the flamebacks are the same species right. The 1st link is listed as haplochromis all red "lake nawampasa", an old term for and a synonym to the xystichromis kyoga flameback. The 2nd link is the same thing, just newer and up to date. By the way, the ones that were on on aquabid are true Xystichromis kyoga flamebacks. Jim gets them from a reputable seller as well, down in Florida. Plus, I didn't get them on aquabid did I? I originally did, but they were lost in transit, so I ended up getting them from a different seller. And I don't appreciate it much that you are showing me all of these old things that I already know and pointing stuff out to me. Trust me, I ain't no newbie on this kind of stuff. I know who Greg is and I look up to him as an inspiration. I do my research and have been a Victorian enthusiast for 2 years, I know my stuff. My male does have his bar, it shows on and off, plus he is very washed out in the pics. I don't know why you are doubting that my male is a true kyoga flameback, but please keep it to yourself. I don't want this to end up being a controversial topic. I want to rather discuss about Victorians with friends on MFK rather than arguing. Thank you. Nice kyoga flameback by the way, I remember seeing that picture on another board though.

 

[tydus]

I remembered which board it was now, hillcountrycichlidclub, that pic was posted by Mike. If you do infact own him, why don't you post some pics of your colony. I would love to see them.

 

[mahemaheman85]

 

[craigthor]

20 huh, aquabid right? is eternal victorian your sn??

Nope not my SN. Bought from the same person selling them though just via e-mail transactions.

Craig

 

[tezr]

I remembered which board it was now, hillcountrycichlidclub, that pic was posted by Mike. If you do infact own him, why don't you post some pics of your colony. I would love to see them.

I will when I get home and yes they were Mike's I went over to his house to picked them up this week along with some Afra Cobue. here is a post from another board where we are both members and I am giving him an update
http://www.austinfishboard.com/forum/index.php/topic,131.0.html


Why do you hide the ID of this great mystery seller in Florida? If you are so confident that your fish are in fact true Xysitichromis sp. Kyoga Flamebacks may I have your permission to post your pics on HCCC for verification from GAS or Samaki?

Also in your pics it appears that your fish has yellowish lips instead of the normal blue coloration. Is this due to the digital image?

I have a lot of vics and I personally do not care if yours are xystichromis or haplochromis or hybrids. I was just asking some questions because yours looked different from the ones I have seen in person or that were verified. It could just be the settings on your camera or who knows what else. I was also curious why yours had such distinct vertical bars as opposed to others that the horizontal bar is the more distinctive one.

The differences could be locality differences. The fish in the haplochromis link was collected from Lake Nawampasa.

If you take a look at the pics you linked from the guy in Canada they also look different than your fish. We locally have 2 seperate Xystichromis species being bred. Both the sp. "flameback" and the sp. "Kyoga Flameback". There are differences in both of these fish. Just as there are 2 species of Haplochromis sp. "Fire" and sp. "Uganda Fire Red" that look simular but are different.

Here is a post from cichlid forums to further complicate things.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=165972

You are comparing apples and oranges.

The pictures of Haplochromis (Xystichromis) sp. 'Dayglow' on cichlid-forum and on Daves site are the same as they are my pictures.

The pictures of Haplochromis (Xystichromis) sp. "flameback' on Daves site is my picture and it is very much like the picture in the cichlid-forum profile.

Haplochromis (Xystichromis) sp. "Kyoga flameback' is a completely different species.

Welcome to the world of Victorian cichlid name confusion.

Kevin

 

[tydus]

I will when I get home and yes they were Mike's I went over to his house to picked them up this week along with some Afra Cobue. here is a post from another board where we are both members and I am giving him an update
http://www.austinfishboard.com/forum/index.php/topic,131.0.html


Why do you hide the ID of this great mystery seller in Florida? If you are so confident that your fish are in fact true Xysitichromis sp. Kyoga Flamebacks may I have your permission to post your pics on HCCC for verification from GAS or Samaki?

Also in your pics it appears that your fish has yellowish lips instead of the normal blue coloration. Is this due to the digital image?

I have a lot of vics and I personally do not care if yours are xystichromis or haplochromis or hybrids. I was just asking some questions because yours looked different from the ones I have seen in person or that were verified. It could just be the settings on your camera or who knows what else. I was also curious why yours had such distinct vertical bars as opposed to others that the horizontal bar is the more distinctive one.

The differences could be locality differences. The fish in the haplochromis link was collected from Lake Nawampasa.

If you take a look at the pics you linked from the guy in Canada they also look different than your fish. We locally have 2 seperate Xystichromis species being bred. Both the sp. "flameback" and the sp. "Kyoga Flameback". There are differences in both of these fish. Just as there are 2 species of Haplochromis sp. "Fire" and sp. "Uganda Fire Red" that look simular but are different.

Here is a post from cichlid forums to further complicate things.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=165972

Why am I hiding the ID of the seller? If you want it so bad then pm me.
You're not getting the point, I know my vics, I ain't stupid, the ones I have are not the ever so common xystichromis flameback but the kyoga flameback. Remember there is always the lighting of the tank that makes his color look different. Maybe that's why. And his lips are blue, not yellow. The tank and the lighting itself are very old, passed down from my brother-in-law back in the 90's. My guys look very close like structureguy's kyoga flamebacks on his site, african-cichlid.com. Look on his site, does his kyoga flamebacks have the bars? I don't think so, because its either the lighting or something. Do you have doubts that his aren't true kyoga flamebacks as well?

 

[tydus]

As for the pics, I will allow you to use these pics that I just took. These are not his true colors and the pics don't even compare to him as in person. Very washed out.

Compare them with structureguy's kyoga flamebacks, mine are very similar and remember, he used different camera settings and light setups.

http://african-cichlid.com/allred.htm

 

[mahemaheman85]

So what if i said someone offered a breeding trio of xmas fulu all around 4 inches to me for 100 bucks, think its worth it? i dunno cause i have 10 coming this week

 

[tydus]

So what if i said someone offered a breeding trio of xmas fulu all around 4 inches to me for 100 bucks, think its worth it? i dunno cause i have 10 coming this week

I think it's worth it considering the rarity of the fish. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If its worth it to you, then get them.