good looking kyogas, it took a wile to read this entire thread, i never use aqua bid for the same reasons as your expierance. i have a small colony of 6 2male and 4 female that i got from daves rare fish. i never have any problems when dealing with him and his cost are very very reasonable and always uses fex ex next day, most of the kyogas in the states came from the same source some years ago. so make shur that you cull any weak ones out and only preserve the strong. we dont want what has happened with other victorian species to happen to these, that being keeping and selling weak strains. id rather cull 10% than spread weak genes. ill post some pics of mine soon. congrats thoes look good!