i got it from aquascape online for $125. massiveaggression.com is getting some in 2 weeks or so. this is the deal with the breeding project. by the summer i am making a frame for a pond out of wood. then im using a pond liner to finish it off. this is going in my basement. i'm seeing more and more how important it is for us to start breeding rays and i want to jump on that. he's fat as hell and im going to be working all week to convert him off of blackworms to krill and troutworms. im going to start with 2 motoros, one of which i have now, so by the time the summer comes he'll be old enough to breed. im hoping to spend about a grand on the setup. if it goes well, i'll go bigger.