Check this ray out...

[csx4236]

Hello,

I don´t know were the problem is !

The ray is Motoro x Motoro/Henlei, I´ve seen pups of that combination and they looked nearly the same.

And it is really common that pups of one litter look different if the parents are not 100% the same kind.

There is NO real "Mantilla", have u ever seen one? Only many different kinds of rays which look like something which has been called "Mantilla" get this name to get some more money for it.

Here is a link to pictures of motoro/henlei pups and they dont look anything like a mantilla ray. One more thing why is a mantilla ray in the aqualog book as a seperate ray? If it's a hybrid

http://www.goslinea.com/Gallerie/Rochen/Seiten/Potamotrygon spec. Henlei x Motoro.htm

 

[AlexG]

Hello,

Here is a link to pictures of motoro/henlei pups and they dont look anything like a mantilla ray. One more thing why is a mantilla ray in the aqualog book as a seperate ray? If it's a hybrid

Hi CSX, beside I don´t understand for sure if it is a question or some "ironie" stuff I try to answer.

The "Mantilla" in Aqualog Book looks fore sure like some Blackray-Hybrid.
The kind of what is breed in Japan by "Aqua Gallery" which is really nice and called Mantilla is breed out of different kinds of Hybrids.

U have to imagine that if u crossbreed, u can get some Pups which look one of the parents and mixed or just mixed or only like one of the parents.

If u then Crossbreed a hybrid with a normal u can get something completly different again. For example u cross a Motoro/Leopoldi Cross male with a pure blood Motoro female, EVERY pup can look different.


And thats what I have seen at a breeder in my local Area, that his Henlei/Motoro and Motoro got pups which looked like the one in this thread with grey colour and strange spots.

 

[stingrayguy]

Hey... I was just searching in some of Anythingfish.com's threads.. and found this pic. And I'm pretty sure this is the mother.. I'm sure Todd will post to confirm this pic.. check it out.. Looks really cool.



also its the ray on the right

 

[rvrrays]

The interesting part of this whole thing is that you could have one pup in a litter that looks so different. I have had pups that looked a little different. But, not this drastic.

This completely changes my way of thinking about rays, ray genetics and taxonomy.

Great stuff.

Colin

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

 

[stingrayguy]

The interesting part of this whole thing is that you could have one pup in a litter that looks so different. I have had pups that looked a little different. But, not this drastic.

This completely changes my way of thinking about rays, ray genetics and taxonomy.

Great stuff.

Colin

I know. I hear ya there.. What we need to do. Is really study this. I hope she will have pups soon. So we can see how they turn out.

 

[Teal]

They told me moto sp??

 

[Teal]

look like this

 

[stingrayguy]

look like this

thats a good looking ray!! ever wanna sell it lemme know

 

[Alex.P]

So Mantilla are hybrids from the wild. As my mantilla's mother was wild caught, and was over 2 feet .
Alex