I can certainly understand one not being able to get the label info first hand for every last food that one reviews, but having said that, if that's the route one is going they really ought to make damn certain as to what they are stating. Things such as " 2. They generally include Ethoxyquin on the label".
Are you certain of that? I'm guessing not so much. Is it possible that someone out there has some old outdated labels on a container, sure, but I haven't seen E listed on a label in years. Keep in mind that for close to a decade I unloaded tons upon tons of cases of almost every formula & size made by New Life, and still have over a dozen containers here on hand, various formulas, and various sizes, from 125 grams to 5lb pails. Not a single container shows ethoxyquin on the label. Hmmmmm. As already stated to you time & time again, online vendors often post old outdated information with regards to ingredients etc as most can't be bothered having their webmaster/designer updating their website every time that some manufacturer makes a change or two or three. Not to mention the cost of those continuous tweaks. I constantly see old information regarding various foods, and NLS is no exception. Part of that is certainly their (New Life's) fault from the use of old outdated labels for many years (to lower production costs), but the rest falls on the retail vendors who don't keep things current at their end. If they sell the food, they sure as hell know what's on each label.
But getting back to my original point, the fact is, in the case of NLS: They generally DO NOT include Ethoxyquin on the label. The exact opposite of what you just stated.
Also, if you recall from that last discussion on the subject of ethoxyquin, which I linked to in my previous post, I discussed how even natural color enhancers such as Naturose astaxanthin (a micro-algae) can be preserved with ethoxyquin. So how on earth can you possibly know what each & every fish food contains with regards to preservatives, let alone the levels of any of those preservatives that a food may or may not contain? There is no assumption on my part when I state with 100% certainty that you have no idea whatsoever. Even for myself, while it might be based on an educated guess, it would still be pure speculation on my part - at this point, even regarding NLS.
You say that you are filling a void with information that does not exist for fish food, I disagree. IMO you are doing a great disservice to the entire hobby by making assumptions based on facts that do not exist, and promoting certain ingredients as being toxic, when the reality is the same could be said about various vitamins and minerals. That type of misinformation does not benefit the fishkeeping hobby.
Are you certain of that? I'm guessing not so much. Is it possible that someone out there has some old outdated labels on a container, sure, but I haven't seen E listed on a label in years. Keep in mind that for close to a decade I unloaded tons upon tons of cases of almost every formula & size made by New Life, and still have over a dozen containers here on hand, various formulas, and various sizes, from 125 grams to 5lb pails. Not a single container shows ethoxyquin on the label. Hmmmmm. As already stated to you time & time again, online vendors often post old outdated information with regards to ingredients etc as most can't be bothered having their webmaster/designer updating their website every time that some manufacturer makes a change or two or three. Not to mention the cost of those continuous tweaks. I constantly see old information regarding various foods, and NLS is no exception. Part of that is certainly their (New Life's) fault from the use of old outdated labels for many years (to lower production costs), but the rest falls on the retail vendors who don't keep things current at their end. If they sell the food, they sure as hell know what's on each label.
But getting back to my original point, the fact is, in the case of NLS: They generally DO NOT include Ethoxyquin on the label. The exact opposite of what you just stated.
Also, if you recall from that last discussion on the subject of ethoxyquin, which I linked to in my previous post, I discussed how even natural color enhancers such as Naturose astaxanthin (a micro-algae) can be preserved with ethoxyquin. So how on earth can you possibly know what each & every fish food contains with regards to preservatives, let alone the levels of any of those preservatives that a food may or may not contain? There is no assumption on my part when I state with 100% certainty that you have no idea whatsoever. Even for myself, while it might be based on an educated guess, it would still be pure speculation on my part - at this point, even regarding NLS.
You say that you are filling a void with information that does not exist for fish food, I disagree. IMO you are doing a great disservice to the entire hobby by making assumptions based on facts that do not exist, and promoting certain ingredients as being toxic, when the reality is the same could be said about various vitamins and minerals. That type of misinformation does not benefit the fishkeeping hobby.
Seriously, I did find the article informative and based on it I decided on NLS, after asking around and because some of the foods are not offered at my lfs. One question that I do have for RD is, where is the proof that Kmuda's article is completely false. It very well may be but without proof as a rebuttal how can we know? I to have had over 30 years experience, most of it trial and error but if it wasn't for the internet then I would not have gained the knowledge that I have from MFK's contributors, you included. All I ask is just provide proof as a rebuttal or at the very least point some of us that aren't scientists in the right direction to get independent analyses on this issue. We all know that a company's spokesperson is the last one that's going to give an honest answer, hell I work for Petco and my GM thinks ich is a genetic disorder. Thanks.
