Deathcurl, thats amazing. Bacon, I put 20 small feeders and 10 large feeders in several times and he wont even eat them. Vinson, mine looks healthy also. This is the strangest thing but even stranger is that I am not the only one with tis problem. Thanks for all the feedback. Maybe there still is hope. I will keep on trying to feed him. Also, I know Gars need oxygen and breath at the top of the tank, but mine has not left the bottom of the tank as far as I can tell. My wife, 2 sons and me keep a constant watch on him and if he does go to the top it must be at night.