You guys crack me up... In a good way... Now that i know where the OP was going with this.. I'de try a soft floating pellet.. And if you don't have much surface current make some and "toss" a few pellets in.... Prior to this offer live the same time in the same place... See where i'm going here?... In the end this is how I managed to get our stubborn aba aba offa live. He knew where his food was coming from after a few days and expected it.. Once hes hitting them as soon as they hit the water. Took us a few weeks to get to that point ( smart, crafty, shy fish!) i'de rotate one feeder, one stick until they refuse both (full) I found the hikari worked well, unfortunately NLS was very hard and he immediately spat those out. Feed 1/1 for a few days/weeks until hes readily taking them as soon as they hit the water... Our guy is on massivore now and i'm working on transitioning him to NLS but its hit and miss some days. I refuse to starve juvi/yoy fish.. I found this technique keeps them hungry but never starved. Yes my gar where much easier to convert lol