lol.. you guys are dorks ( btw thats a compliment). and I completely agree. gar under imo 12" shoudln't be starved intentionally period. only in extereme cases should this be done ( for medical reasons) Or you are tempting stunting, and what I've seen in other species ( I know gar are different then most fish..) which will refuse to eat even if their usual food is offered, and simply wither away and die. imo getting them offa live food just isn't a good enough reason to do so much potential harm. particulalry when their natural food is made up largely of live fish.