Punching Holes In Fins To Reduce Aggression?
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Heard of this practice for years but never saw it done - maybe it happens. In an aquarium, it would seem to be a stupid practice since dividers or other techniques can be used to breed aggressive species. Maybe in a pond setting, it would allow for higher survival of females.
Derail - Anyone get the feelking that Don did not realize he was being taped? He looked surprised when he turned in response to Skip's comment. Related, I wonder if the ACA speakers gave permission for their presentations to be taped and posted all over the place. If so, I would have thought they would have had it done more formally with better audio and visual.
Derail - Anyone get the feelking that Don did not realize he was being taped? He looked surprised when he turned in response to Skip's comment. Related, I wonder if the ACA speakers gave permission for their presentations to be taped and posted all over the place. If so, I would have thought they would have had it done more formally with better audio and visual.
This was taped at the June CCA meeting...without the knowledge of the CCA, of course. Not sure about Don.
Ironically, people told me that this was the same presentation that he gave a few years ago (2004 I think) in Denver, which was the last time he was invited to present there...
Matt
Ironically, people told me that this was the same presentation that he gave a few years ago (2004 I think) in Denver, which was the last time he was invited to present there...
Matt
Don lost some of his toes when his sailboat was electrocuted. I don't think your comment would yield any sympathy from him.
I wouldn't do it to my prized fish, but I don't think any biologist would have a problem with a practice such as this. Just obsessed fishkeepers. IMO in this case it sounds like the ends justify the means. I don't think he's referring to "mutilation". He's not suggesting a tear between fin rays, just poking a small hole or two.
It would have to be a big hole to slow him down. A tiny little hole won't do anything. And the day this hobby comes down to everyone keeping huge aggressive fish in tiny tanks with giant holes in thier tails to slow them down, I'm getting out.
Well, first off I know Skip's AKA "Realhardcichlid's" voice and accent anywhere. Has some quality fish, but I still hate the way he treats them such as fighting them and describing them as "Kennel Bred". He films alot at all the Cichlid events he goes to.
As for Don, I definently don't agree with this practice. If you want to breed Dovii or Umbee you should have the right sized tank. I am not fond of dividers, but they beat mutilating an animal because you can't provide proper housing for a pair. I typically use pots to cut down on agression, but Dovii don't really take cover the same as Amphilophus and other species. The part he was describing that doesn't grow back would be the spine/bone that is in the fin. You have to cut it completly to get it to grow back right. Pooking a hole and severing one part from the other would do the trick as long as that part of the fin doesn't come off and fully regenerate. Not going to agree with this method, but I still respect Don and am greateful for everything he has done. Definently hope others don't practice this and instead just get a larger tank.
As for Don, I definently don't agree with this practice. If you want to breed Dovii or Umbee you should have the right sized tank. I am not fond of dividers, but they beat mutilating an animal because you can't provide proper housing for a pair. I typically use pots to cut down on agression, but Dovii don't really take cover the same as Amphilophus and other species. The part he was describing that doesn't grow back would be the spine/bone that is in the fin. You have to cut it completly to get it to grow back right. Pooking a hole and severing one part from the other would do the trick as long as that part of the fin doesn't come off and fully regenerate. Not going to agree with this method, but I still respect Don and am greateful for everything he has done. Definently hope others don't practice this and instead just get a larger tank.
The boat was struck by lightning and he would have been shocked, nobody/nothing was electrocuted.
electrocution
causing death by the passage of an electric current through the body of the patient. May be intentional, as a means of euthanasia, or accidental by lightning strike or electrical current
electrocution
causing death by the passage of an electric current through the body of the patient. May be intentional, as a means of euthanasia, or accidental by lightning strike or electrical current
