PETA sue Seaworld for enslave the whales...

[SumoNinja]

kev, your new av is creepy in a way

i like the animal attack one, lol

 

[MN_Rebel]

Some of their physical and nutritional requirements yes. Social and other natural behaviors would be a no. For example, orcas do not breed naturally in captivity, they are artificially inseminated. Normally they live in social pods or family groups in the wild not as single individuals. Yes the orcas can do laps in a pool, just like a prisoner can do pushups and jumping jacks in a cell to keep fit but I think that quality of life counts for something.

Lot of fish we kept do not breed naturally in captivity and even our pets which don't bred naturally depends on what breeds.

Also it's common for the orcas hunting alone depends on what culture. Also all orcas in capitivity are kept with other orcas.

 

[MN_Rebel]

If you're referring to me, stop putting words in my mouth. I'm against the keeping of whales in captivity and exploiting them for the entertainment business. Period. End of story. You guys are the ones comparing them to an oscar in a fish tank and drawing all these ridiculous conclusions. You're the one that said I should kill my dog because I don't like the idea of Sea World keeping whales in a pool. I'm not making the determination that one animal is more important than another. That would imply one lives and one dies. Calling me a hypocrite because I think it's wrong to keep whales in captivity while I have a pet dog at home is a braindead, strawman argument.

Ok give up your hobby, if you are against an animal kept in unnatural enclourse for entertainment business. Fishkeeping is an entertainment business, taking fish out of their natural habitats so we can enjoy watch the fishes in a glass tank do unnatural things with the fish.

 

[jakeca77]

Lot of fish we kept do not breed naturally in captivity and even our pets which don't bred naturally depends on what breeds.

Orcas are neither pets or fish.

I will agree that there is some hypocrisy involved when it comes to keeping fish in a glass box and keeping orcas in a concrete pool. However, I don't think the quality of life for the killer whales is there and I don't think all of their needs are being met. For me, that is a distinction that seperates fishkeeping and orca-keeping. I don't think one animal should be valued more than another just because of intelligence as others have suggested but if you think that the needs of a goldfish equate those of an orca then you are fooling yourself.

 

[nomad]

Back when I lived in NJ I've seen quite a few whales (mostly around Pizza Hut buffets) that shouldn't have any constitutional rights.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Orcas are neither pets or fish.

I will agree that there is some hypocrisy involved when it comes to keeping fish in a glass box and keeping orcas in a concrete pool. However, I don't think the quality of life for the killer whales is there and I don't think all of their needs are being met. For me, that is a distinction that seperates fishkeeping and orca-keeping. I don't think one animal should be valued more than another just because of intelligence as others have suggested but if you think that the needs of a goldfish equate those of an orca then you are fooling yourself.

So it's your reason: Orcas ain't pet or fish? Lot of fish in capitivity don't met all of their requirements either and so are the rest of pets. Hamsters and other rodents are kept in smaller glass tanks and a wheel for only exercises. Birds kept in cages that is too small for them to fly around. Rabbits being kept in the cage above the ground and crapping through the cages and are not allow to burrow like their wild cousins. Even the dogs and cats don't meet their full requirements either as we denied their roaming and their natural intisncts. (seriously how many overweight house pets in the world?!?) Big cats and other predators are kept in enclourse, yet in the wild they have HUGE range.

It appeared that Orcas are adapt to capitivity life, otherwise if they are not adaptable they would die few years ago.

 

[lipadj46]

I always feel sorry for whales and dolphins in in captivity and the great apes and even the higher intelligence captive birds that is a sad life and most (animals) seem to know it. Anyone who can't see the difference between the higher level mammals/birds and fish is as bad a PITA trying to say a whale deserve the same constitutional protections as people or maybe they are just looking for an argument.

 

[jcardona1]

Anyone who can't see the difference between the higher level mammals/birds and fish is as bad a PITA trying to say a whale deserve the same constitutional protections as people or maybe they are just looking for an argument.

Exactly. I would think that any adult with average intelligence and a bit of common sense would be able to see that. Guess I was wrong!

 

[MN_Rebel]

I always feel sorry for whales and dolphins in in captivity and the great apes and even the higher intelligence captive birds that is a sad life and most (animals) seem to know it. Anyone who can't see the difference between the higher level mammals/birds and fish is as bad a PITA trying to say a whale deserve the same constitutional protections as people or maybe they are just looking for an argument.

The only one difference between "mammals" and "lowlifes" is just the intelligence, but that doesn't mean it is okay to treat fish, birds, rodents and reptiles crappy.

However dolphins (in reality Orcas are dolphins) and great apes in captivity has improved in recently years.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Exactly. I would think that any adult with average intelligence and a bit of common sense would be able to see that. Guess I was wrong!

Only hypocrites refused to believe that it is no different from keep whales in captivity from other animals (regardless of intelligence).