Something I dont understand....Wearing uniforms in public

[chefjamesscott]

Wow, was I shocked to see this as a topic. And I noticed no one really defended the military perspective, so I will go against the grain and say.
Being a Navy Senior Chief and former Recruiter in New Orleans, I am insulted that you guys have the nerve to question any member of the Military and how they wear thier uniform, unless you have walked in their shoes. Secondly like one member mentioned, if you are that appauled by the member and the reason's they wear their uniform and you really want to know, why don't you just ask them, I am sure they will love to school you on why.
Every branch of service has rules to wearing and when you can wear the uniform, including the BDU's, Service Dress and Full Dress uniforms. If you see a service member in a grocery store, gas station, bar or where ever they are probably in regulation, (wheather most of you think it is tacky or not), especially those near a militray bases, becasue they would probably get reported if caught by a superior. Now that's not to say I have not had to pull military members aside for either wearing a uniform in correctly (usually being uncovered) or the worng uniform for the area, but for non member to sit on hear and bash our service men and woman for what they take pride is riduclous when some of you on here could not hold a candle to the job they do for this country. As for women loving a man in uniform, there are other things that play into that and that's not all inclusive to the uniform, but what the man in the uniform suppose to represent. Having traveled all over the world, weather you like it or not, yes there are women that love a man in unoform, get over it. Also some companies promote wearing of the uniform for discounts in games, food, even bars. etc. So again the next time you see a person in uniform somewhere you think he should not be, instead of turning up your lip to them, you should be thanking them for your peace of mind..

As someone who has done time and comes from a line of soldiers ranging from air force, navy and infantry.

I will never defend a person who disobeys the easiest of orders to obey. This being DO NOT WEAR YOUR UNIFORM IN PUBLIC WHEN NOT ON DUTY. In my books and in my training the person who can not follow the simplest of orders such as this is a person who is a VERY BAD SOLDIER imho because the fail and if they fail in such a small area what will they fail at in larger degrees? The march of the light brigade comes to mind to take it to the furtherest extent of obeying orders.

I was trained that orders are to be followed to the T whether or not I agreed with them, and so that is how I would look at this.

I do agree that it depends upon the branch with which one is serving. As well rules and regulations for your american military are different than for our canadian military.

One aspect about wearing military dress to a bar when actually offduty and on ones own time is IMHO and according to the explicit orders of our base commander showing extreme disrespect to that uniform, for being neat and orderly is most certainly the last thing on someone's mind as they proceed with libations.

 

[chefjamesscott]

Thought I would post a link for the thread regarding Canadian Forces http://www.cfsuo.forces.gc.ca/so-op/soc-opc-03-eng.asp

I would say to take note that the weekend is absent from the list. I might also pop by or give a call to the present commander of The Royal Regina Rifles to get his take and post it here as that was the branch I served with.

 

[JteSchertz]

I'll first start by saying I AM NOT bashing the military, its service men and women, or anyone reading this. " 6 or 7 OUT OF LINE posts?? Even if it is to pick up the ladies, they've earned that right??" What are you talking about? In MY experience, everyone who's joined has joined as a last resort. They didn't have anything going for themselves and couldn't get anything going so they enlisted, happily being told what to do every second of their life, but hey they got training, education, saw the world,became a man, blah, blah, blah. IMO these are the same guys wearing their uniforms to the bar, it's just now they don't have anything goin on with the ladies, which is fine, but you're just a hop, skip, and jump away from rubbing people the wrong way, and when that happens, who are these guys representing? US! I wouldn't want that. If you're sincere about serving your country, you don't do it for praise or perks. If you think you'e going to command respect from me or worse be stupid or cocky about it, you have another thing coming.What I'm saying is they signed up for this, and got what they wanted out of it. As far as the war, I'm sure their were scary times, but let's face it, our enemies were a buch of sitting ducks over there.

Really??? Did you know that the majority of our enlisted members have college degrees now and joined the military not because it was their last chance or only option but that they could not afford to go to college and the military provided that benefit. From your other post "carpel tunnel is the highest reported injury from the warzone"....there are thousands upon thousands of amputees and burn victims sitting in our military hospital here in San Antonio that would disagree with you. Our enemy over there isn't really the sitting ducks you are portraying. Yes, some of their tactics are archaeic and not as advanced as ours but they have the homefield advantage of knowing their lands (hiding places) and many of them are playing for both sides (your ally one day your enemy the next). Until you walk a mile in a soldier/airman/seamen/coreman's combat boots, you really have no idea what its about.

And as a member of the Armed Forces I will proudly defend the country so that you have the rights to speak your opinion as you have stated above.

 

[Warborg]

When I see someone in 'uniform' I have a slight feel of awe and think if I talk to this person at some point I'll be sure to thank him.

I don't have an issue seeing them in uniform

 

[chefjamesscott]

When I see someone in 'uniform' I have a slight feel of awe and think if I talk to this person at some point I'll be sure to thank him.

I don't have an issue seeing them in uniform

Just to clarify I am not referring myself to a person being in public in uniform, rather a person being in a place where they should not be in uniform as they are socializing.

 

[ballinouttacntrol]

Just to clarify I am not referring myself to a person being in public in uniform, rather a person being in a place where they should not be in uniform as they are socializing.

yeah, my comments are not about someone in a grocery store or a library reading children books, it's about people at bars and clubs. i just don't see any logical reason for why it should happen and refuse to think it's an acceptable way to get flattered and receive attention

 

[SumoNinja]

yeah, my comments are not about someone in a grocery store or a library reading children books, it's about people at bars and clubs. i just don't see any logical reason for why it should happen and refuse to think it's an acceptable way to get flattered and receive attention

what if they were just in the corner minding their own business, not bothering nobody and just there to have a good time among themselves?

 

[ballinouttacntrol]

what if they were just in the corner minding their own business, not bothering nobody and just there to have a good time among themselves?

That has not at all been my personal experience. until i witness that i won't comment on it. i'm pretty sure anyone who does it has a me first/look at me attitude in the first place

 

[chefjamesscott]

what if they were just in the corner minding their own business, not bothering nobody and just there to have a good time among themselves?

I do not mean to be rude but I am going to use caps.

WHAT PART OF IT BEING AGAINST ORDERS, RULES AND REGULATIONS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

The simple cold hard fact about this is that it is against regulations (or at least it was for my unit) to be wearing any form of my uniform for socializing activities.

IMHO any person who can not follow the simiplest of rules such as this is a bad soldier as a rule breaker does not make a good order taker and a bad order taker is going to get people killed in the field because they think that their own personhood is above the rules.

 

[SumoNinja]

I do not mean to be rude but I am going to use caps.

WHAT PART OF IT BEING AGAINST ORDERS, RULES AND REGULATIONS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

The simple cold hard fact about this is that it is against regulations (or at least it was for my unit) to be wearing any form of my uniform for socializing activities.

IMHO any person who can not follow the simiplest of rules such as this is a bad soldier as a rule breaker does not make a good order taker and a bad order taker is going to get people killed in the field because they think that their own personhood is above the rules.

well some has said it depends, so that's the impression i'm under

there's somethings that are ok, some depends and some are not allowed at all

but my question was asked assuming it was in the case of being ok to wear but i guess i should've specified