HARRY'S STINGRAY FILTRATION ABOUT COMPLETE 80%!!!!!

[HULON]

Now just give me a good price and you can kick back and enjoy your first comission check......

- Alan (lol)

No commission Here Alan I paid the price i told on here LOL!!!! I see i have been spelling your name wrongJust pure Hobbiest here trying to advance the Hobby Make no Mistake tho i believe in those guys products or i would not endorse them..As a paint contracter it's been refreshing to see a manufacturer's claims actually be fact the stuff works!!!!

 

[cjfrontlovr]

Now just give me a good price and you can kick back and enjoy your first comission check......

- Alan (lol)

funny, every time i talk to alan he claims to be the poorest man in north america.now i see he bought a pair of marbles, talking about changing his filtration and purchased a few other items. i think someones been pulling a fast one and is the wealthiest guy on mfk!no more bargains for you!!

i am working with the manufactuer and am trying to get a simular filter with a diffrent valve design.i belive hulon that this has been a great addition to harry's tank and now i am going to try it first hand!

 

[DB junkie]

I don't claim to be the poorest man.... I'm single with no kids yet and have no trouble living for less then my fish do. A nice BD is every penny of 2 months salary for me. Not technically poor, but far from rich. Nothing more then in a situation I'm able to have completely screwed up fish priorities...... lol

Buying rays for me means selling rays. Not just buying. I'm loosing a blackie and 2 nice Marbles to recoop a portion of the cost of that new Marble pair.

I'd love to take my filtration to the next level and am willing to make the sacrifices to do so, but I've got to be sold on something, and right now, I'm not exactly sold on bead style filters. I've spent years building my own stuff, and take pride in it. Buying a filter and installing it out of a box is basically rolling over and playing dead for me. I don't like taking the easy way out so I need proof that these things do stuff I can't by DIYing it.

CJ you run bead filters already don't you?

 

[HULON]

I don't claim to be the poorest man.... I'm single with no kids yet and have no trouble living for less then my fish do. A nice BD is every penny of 2 months salary for me. Not technically poor, but far from rich. Nothing more then in a situation I'm able to have completely screwed up fish priorities...... lol

Buying rays for me means selling rays. Not just buying. I'm loosing a blackie and 2 nice Marbles to recoop a portion of the cost of that new Marble pair.

I'd love to take my filtration to the next level and am willing to make the sacrifices to do so, but I've got to be sold on something, and right now, I'm not exactly sold on bead style filters. I've spent years building my own stuff, and take pride in it. Buying a filter and installing it out of a box is basically rolling over and playing dead for me. I don't like taking the easy way out so I need proof that these things do stuff I can't by DIYing it.

CJ you run bead filters already don't you?

Not Bead crushed glass work more like a sand filter then bead but don't clog and compact like sand and not replacing sump and diy in conjunction with Alan you saw Harry's DIY Bio Reactor I think you just like being Testy do ya???

 

[DB junkie]

Not Bead crushed glass work more like a sand filter then bead but don't clog and compact like sand and not replacing sump and diy in conjunction with Alan you saw Harry's DIY Bio Reactor I think you just like being Testy do ya???

Not testy at all.... Life's too short. Just work hard on building my own stuff to improve the lives of my animals. If there's a better route I'd like to know about it and why it is such..... Just like comparing apples to apples. Can't compare grapes and mellons like you can apples to apples. If the glass filter is a mechanical filter then I'd think it should filter down to a certain micron, but seems there isn't a spec on them. Some bio filters are rated according to feed weight, but it's tough to compare this to wet/dries or submerged cause they don't offer similar ratings. It turns into a flat out mess trying to compare, let alone trying to figure out the best route......

I thought the glass filters were just bead filters with different media. I don't really understand them, hence all the questions and intrest in them. Curious on the whole ability of one filter to perform mechanical and bio with the same media and exacty what kind of bio load one of these can maintain when being rinsed regularly. Where does it go in terms of the filter? 1st stage? Primary mechanical or do you sock before them?

Just trying to compare notes and figure out the common goal, better water for our flatfish.

I didn't mean to mislead the thread..... Just want to know more. I have nothing but respect for that company and thier ability to work with people like you and Ken (I believe it was) and will likely be using thier products in the future.

 

[ShadowStryder]

Not testy at all.... Life's too short. Just work hard on building my own stuff to improve the lives of my animals. If there's a better route I'd like to know about it and why it is such..... Just like comparing apples to apples. Can't compare grapes and mellons like you can apples to apples. If the glass filter is a mechanical filter then I'd think it should filter down to a certain micron, but seems there isn't a spec on them. Some bio filters are rated according to feed weight, but it's tough to compare this to wet/dries or submerged cause they don't offer similar ratings. It turns into a flat out mess trying to compare, let alone trying to figure out the best route......

I thought the glass filters were just bead filters with different media. I don't really understand them, hence all the questions and intrest in them. Curious on the whole ability of one filter to perform mechanical and bio with the same media and exacty what kind of bio load one of these can maintain when being rinsed regularly. Where does it go in terms of the filter? 1st stage? Primary mechanical or do you sock before them?

Just trying to compare notes and figure out the common goal, better water for our flatfish.

I didn't mean to mislead the thread..... Just want to know more. I have nothing but respect for that company and thier ability to work with people like you and Ken (I believe it was) and will likely be using thier products in the future.

I don't find you testy at all Al, I like to read your inquiring post as you ask questions that I wouldn't think to. Therefore I get answers and don't have to ask.
Hulon, I was at the site for the glass filtration, which model is it that Harry runs, can't really see the model # on Harry's pic.

 

[HULON]

I don't find you testy at all Al, I like to read your inquiring post as you ask questions that I wouldn't think to. Therefore I get answers and don't have to ask.
Hulon, I was at the site for the glass filtration, which model is it that Harry runs, can't really see the model # on Harry's pic.

Ah i was just Bustin Alan's chopsDon it's the 16 inch model if you go larger you need a larger pump then you are using more energy or consolidating pumps by using one larger pump Harry likes the fact that if one pump fails there are others running makes him feel more comfortable But that is just him ...They Wlim offer a 16 and 19 right now but i Think i mentioned they "will" customize but with Custom comes more $$$$ just a fact of life guys ...Sand or Diatomatious earth filters Clean or polish pool water and the Glass filter does it 33% better then sand so how clear do you think Harry's water is allenI was just really impressed and think it can help the Hobby tremendesly guy's if ya don't believe me Blow it off or give one a shot i would be shocked if you did not like it .......

 

[HULON]

Also Guys i am not sure it is listed on their site yet these are very new....

 

[kendragon]

DB, you ask all good questions. I'm a long time pond guy that seen the evolution of pumps and filters for koi ponds. It is recently that monsterfishkeepers are applying these filters, pumps and UV to their big tanks which was not the original design intent.

I was around when Ron James of Aquaultravoilet put out his first bead filter called The Preditor. The media was 3/16" dia plastic solid beads. Water clarity was great but clogged easily. If not clean regularly the media cemented itself into a solid brick. That media was discontinued and replaced with a K1 type media which became today's Ultima. Because of the big holes water clarity is poor and a settling chamber is a must. A lot of MFK people found out that a sock filter is need in conjunction with the Ultima.

Bio reactors were intended for high fish load fisheries and again MFK people built small versions of it.

Main two goal of filteration are mechanical and biological as we know. Good biological uses a thin film process. If the film becomes too thick bad bacteria (anerobic) develops. So tumbling or washing the media is a good thing as seen in both the reactor and the Ultima. Good mechanical removes food and bio waste.

The glass filter was not developed for koi ponds but big tanks. Filters are not normally rated in microns (particle size) but NTU (turbidty value). NTU is basically cloudiness. To reduce cloudiness a filter must hold a certain amount of particles. Filter socks are rated in microns so to change microns to extend period of washing is only allowing fine particles to escape back to the tank. Glass has a 33 percent better NTU than sand. It is lighter and can be rinsed quickly and easily with tank water to maintain the thin film on it surface. Even after 7 days the NTU in the glass filter remains stable which means it is still collecting particles. Low back pressure allows for use of a small pump which saves electricity. No washing of sock saves water and time.

 

[DB junkie]

So the glass filters eliminate the need for filter socks?

How do you compare stock levels to what the filter is capable of supporting?We all overcrowd so gallons is kinda hard to judge by. Can you even compare this glass to K1?

What kind of pumps are required for running/backflushing? Devoted backwash pump? Air needed? Sorry for all the ?s, doesn't look like too much info is available on them.

Thanks!