What size tank do YOU think an MBU should be in...

[Warrensmentor]

A store near me has 4 of them. $150. Fakaha for 25 but really skinny and not eating. Thinking of getting into puffers. Rays in one tank puffer in another. What could be better?

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[eklikewhoa]

A store near me has 4 of them. $150. Fakaha for 25 but really skinny and not eating. Thinking of getting into puffers. Rays in one tank puffer in another. What could be better?

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honestly, I would go with either th MBU or none, I wouldn't get a non-eating fish unless you had full confidence in bringing it back.

If that's what you meant.

 

[Warrensmentor]

Good call ek. I know about rays and would consider trying to bring one back from the edge, but I know little about these wonderful puffers. What scared me me about the fakaha was that they were super thin, and there was a pile of blackworms in the tank.

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[magimango]

Obviously it would be great if we could get info from people who've kept MBU's for say over 20 years in different tank sizes, and can roughly see how it affects their growth...

But sadly most of the people here on these boards who have an MBU havent had them that long...

So even those experiences are more or less guess work to a certain extent too... With the only difference being that said person is currently growing one out...


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Problem is this seems to be the counter to the not being in a 1000g tank. If they didn't live 20 years that's why because they wasn't kept in a small reservoir. Seems to me that no one knows anything about them, max size and average size? Nope cause we haven't found the biggest one yet(apparently) Max lifespan and average lifespan? Nope people are growing them out still. Not trying to be awkward here but, an awful lot of advice is coming from people and 'sources' who when questioned use the well not much is known card. Well if not much is known how can anyone give advice on it!? I just find this puffer forum tedious at times, people who kept or are keeping them to me have a bigger say on it then people who haven't.


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[eklikewhoa]

MBU's don't live till 20yrs old, they die cause they are in less than a 1000g tank.

It's the reason behind any unkown or questionable thing that has to do with MBU.

 

[puffykid]

MBU's don't live till 20yrs old, they die cause they are in less than a 1000g tank.

It's the reason behind any unkown or questionable thing that has to do with MBU.

what is your proof that they don't live 20 years? What if I told you RTR has kept many puffers well into their 20's without a problem and it's been shown that given the proper care that many fish species can in fact live into their 50's.

"The oldest fish was actually a Koi named Hanako. The fish died in 1977, but was born in, wait for it, 1751! She was 226 years old when she died. They determined her age much like you age a tree, by counting the rings on one of her scales under a microscope. She'd been passed down through the family from generation to generation and lived in a pond with equally ancient Koi.

On average pond kept Koi can live at least 50 years. Goldfish at least 20 years (the oldest Goldies being in their 40s when they passed). And there are plenty of otherfish species that can live over 40-50 years too."


Why would a mbu if given the proper housing not be able to live until at least it's 20's? There is a difference between what a fish can survive in and what a fish can thrive in. A fish can survive in a small tank for 4-5 years no problem, but a fish can thrive in a large tank for 10-15 years easy.

Just because on this forum the average size of a mbu is about 26inches doesn't mean this is average size or even a good size. It just shows that in the tank sizes provided combined with the care level given 26inches is on average the largest size that a mbu can reach, but gives no indication to the largest size that the fish can obtain.

 

[Fat Homer]

^ my thoughts exactly... I myself have a polleni thats 16/17 years old now...

My dad kept koi that were well over 30 and now they live in a pond in the buildings pond downstairs...

Anyway, i never said they die because they were in a small tank... But that not enough people have studied these fish properly in a range of tank sizes from small to extemely large tanks to really know what their max potential size is...


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[eklikewhoa]

So we are comparing carp to puffers? but that isn't how it works right?

I was bashed for feeding my puffer pellets cause "puffer" are not like other fish, now the same group is telling me that puffers are now in comparison to other fish in other aspects? talk about hypocritical. There was no factual statements or reference given to state that "pellets" are not of "proper" nutritional value to a MBU in comparison to "other" fish other than the statement of "MBU eats shelled stuff in the wild" in a prior thread about MBU's which I think carries into any thread that has anything to do with MBUs but here we have the crowd stating that the age of "other" fish applies or can be applied to MBUs.

I don't know if puffers live past 20, the consensus here seems to be they don't live healthy lives cause no one keeps them in 1000g plus tanks. Do you have any articles stating the age of a MBU puffer since we are speaking about MBU puffers specifically and not just fish in general?

If we are gonna argue a broad topic, I can show pictures of a 20"+ gourami that has been in a 75g for about 15yrs and it hasn't stop growing. or a pacu that is even older and almost as big that has been in a 55g all it's life.

Let's try to stay on topic and relate to the specifics instead of making statements based on opinions based on a broad range area of "fish".

another example of a "broad" statement based on something that doesn't pertain to the argument, my great great grandma lived untill her 114 birthday and she lived most of her U.S.A. life in NY and everyone knows the living quarters there are tiny and the environment isn't as "ideal" as others and before that she lived on a house boat which was only enough room to sleep and did not get the proper diet based on nutritional value. Oh, did I mention she walked herself to church almost every other day and even walked herself to the hospital after she fell and shattered her hip before dieing?

Hypocrite posting is a muck.

 

[eklikewhoa]

what is your proof that they don't live 20 years? What if I told you RTR has kept many puffers well into their 20's without a problem and it's been shown that given the proper care that many fish species can in fact live into their 50's.

"The oldest fish was actually a Koi named Hanako. The fish died in 1977, but was born in, wait for it, 1751! She was 226 years old when she died. They determined her age much like you age a tree, by counting the rings on one of her scales under a microscope. She'd been passed down through the family from generation to generation and lived in a pond with equally ancient Koi.

On average pond kept Koi can live at least 50 years. Goldfish at least 20 years (the oldest Goldies being in their 40s when they passed). And there are plenty of otherfish species that can live over 40-50 years too."


Why would a mbu if given the proper housing not be able to live until at least it's 20's? There is a difference between what a fish can survive in and what a fish can thrive in. A fish can survive in a small tank for 4-5 years no problem, but a fish can thrive in a large tank for 10-15 years easy.

Just because on this forum the average size of a mbu is about 26inches doesn't mean this is average size or even a good size. It just shows that in the tank sizes provided combined with the care level given 26inches is on average the largest size that a mbu can reach, but gives no indication to the largest size that the fish can obtain.

I don't know what RTR is or who but would any of those puffers be an MBU in a 1000+ gallon tank?

About the only information that would be beneficial to this thread is if there was a MBU involved, sharing some of the husbandry involved would be of great help to those that are here on this forum to find/share information based on the species we keep to better provide for them.

 

[rgonzales]

I cant imagine a puffer would be any worse than say a castexi ray that gets a 30 inch disk, thats why i tend to agree that 1000+ is overkill. Btw isnt rtr the guy who tried to put a mbu in a 180 and when that didnt work he came up with 1000+ gallons