I'm not gonna get pbass. They just dont work with my choices
I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
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Pbass tank size?! And pbass question
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I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
-Andrew
10- bristlenose plecos
3-oscars
3- dempseys
3- jags
3- convicts
2- Texas
2- cuban
2- red devil
2- firemouth
2- green terror
4- blood parrots
^ this wont work alone and 100% not with pbass
like said Pbass will grow big if they dont get bullied to much and can eat most of that stock, also certain fish u have there wont grow as fast as others which cant result in bulling issues, if you really do go with that stock which I hope not, at least go with pairs no 3 jags, if you get 3 females sure but if you get a pair and ones left alone as with the others it wont be fair on them, if you with all pairs it may work out much better depending on the area of spawn sites, I would defently remove the cons, firemouths and blood parrots. you will want to get the green terrors at a larger size as they grow like frontosa if not slower.
The oscars will be fine once they are full grown, I find oscars tend to stick with one another else you go with 3 and get a pair they wont like the 3rd, or 3 males will also not work.
Jags will be your tanks bosses, if your lucky you will get a relaxed pair not a crazy pair so this can go 50/50 good outcome and a bad outcome.
Texas are normally aggressive but most fish can hold them off. Cubans may get killed, Red devils will cause terror in the tank, you dont want breeding devils in a tank with anything mine even killed my filter some how >_<!
green terrors are risky, they grow slow like I said may end up much smaller then the other fish and wont stand a chance or you will get them 2 big and everyone else may end up a dead.
Its all very risky with lots of variables, it can be done but it wont be easy and will require lots playing around, each cichlid is different, you can have 1 jag which is a killer another which wont touch a gold fish when your talking with 15+ cichlids all like this it makes it hard and will take years to get right and lots of money changing the fish around. adding Pbass of any type will just make it worse, your best bet is to lower the stock or change to arows and pbass which will work easier. If your really keen on that stock try it but dont come here crying when you end up broke and with a stock thats causing terror.
First thing first like I have always said, get the dam tank done, you will change your mind 1000 more times about fish. if all this effort of stock went into finding someone to build your tank or learning how to do it yourself people would be much more respectful, I think too many people see a young kid dreaming and dont believe a word your saying hence all the forums popping up are just annoying most with no progress being made on the tank. its pointless looking into a stock without a tank, it would be like dreaming of getting a submarine with no bay dock to park it in or a driver to take you around the world on it.
3-oscars
3- dempseys
3- jags
3- convicts
2- Texas
2- cuban
2- red devil
2- firemouth
2- green terror
4- blood parrots
^ this wont work alone and 100% not with pbass
like said Pbass will grow big if they dont get bullied to much and can eat most of that stock, also certain fish u have there wont grow as fast as others which cant result in bulling issues, if you really do go with that stock which I hope not, at least go with pairs no 3 jags, if you get 3 females sure but if you get a pair and ones left alone as with the others it wont be fair on them, if you with all pairs it may work out much better depending on the area of spawn sites, I would defently remove the cons, firemouths and blood parrots. you will want to get the green terrors at a larger size as they grow like frontosa if not slower.
The oscars will be fine once they are full grown, I find oscars tend to stick with one another else you go with 3 and get a pair they wont like the 3rd, or 3 males will also not work.
Jags will be your tanks bosses, if your lucky you will get a relaxed pair not a crazy pair so this can go 50/50 good outcome and a bad outcome.
Texas are normally aggressive but most fish can hold them off. Cubans may get killed, Red devils will cause terror in the tank, you dont want breeding devils in a tank with anything mine even killed my filter some how >_<!
green terrors are risky, they grow slow like I said may end up much smaller then the other fish and wont stand a chance or you will get them 2 big and everyone else may end up a dead.
Its all very risky with lots of variables, it can be done but it wont be easy and will require lots playing around, each cichlid is different, you can have 1 jag which is a killer another which wont touch a gold fish when your talking with 15+ cichlids all like this it makes it hard and will take years to get right and lots of money changing the fish around. adding Pbass of any type will just make it worse, your best bet is to lower the stock or change to arows and pbass which will work easier. If your really keen on that stock try it but dont come here crying when you end up broke and with a stock thats causing terror.
First thing first like I have always said, get the dam tank done, you will change your mind 1000 more times about fish. if all this effort of stock went into finding someone to build your tank or learning how to do it yourself people would be much more respectful, I think too many people see a young kid dreaming and dont believe a word your saying hence all the forums popping up are just annoying most with no progress being made on the tank. its pointless looking into a stock without a tank, it would be like dreaming of getting a submarine with no bay dock to park it in or a driver to take you around the world on it.
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I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
-Andrew
On the tank:
You better do some fiberglassing of atleast the joints. This is going to be the site of failure most likely as the joint will want to move under load and as the wood swells/moves (wood does that based on humidity, etc, etc, etc...and there's no way around it. Research fiberglassing, and make sure you use fiberglass that's ok for tanks.
Either fiberglass the whole interior (I'd recommend it), and/or use pond liner. Both cost a big chunk of change.
Make sure you use thick enough glass or acrylic for your viewing pane. There's online calculators to get the thickness. It's going to be super thick, and SUPER expensive for a 40" deep tank. I think once you see how much this piece of glass is going to cost, you'll go with a shorter tank.
Honestly, you'd probably just be better off buying a 480 gallon acrylic (8 feet long X 4 feet wide X 2 feet deep). They are about $2k from a reputable company like midwest customs. That's about $1k more than it's going to cost you to build your own, and you won't have to worry about flooding your parents basement. I'd SERIOUSLY consider this if I were you.
You're going to need some serious filtration on that big of a tank as well. Read up on sump designs. My favorite is a 3 chamber sump. 1 chamber with the inlets going into filter socks. 2nd chamber is a wet/dry trickly filter stuffed with pot scrubbies, and I use an acrylic drip plate drilled appropriately. 3rd chamber is proceeded by a bubble trap and the chamber houses the pump. Make sure you leave enough room in the sump so that the back wash in the event of a power outage and the pumps shutting off won't flood over the sump.
As for your stock:
I'd read a lot in the ca/sa cichlid forum if I were you. Please don't post a bunch of threads in there. Just read, read, read, and read some more. There's already a lot of threads about species you have in your list.
What I would do is start with juvenile fish, and as they get aggressive, sell them. That'll leave you with the more passive/community friendly fish. And ca/sa cichlids that grow out together work out together much more frequently than getting bigger ca/sa cichlids and just putting them in a tank together.
Also remember that ca/sa cichlids that form pairs can kill a lot of fish even in a big tank. And your 8'X4' tank won't be big enough to have that many spawning pairs. If I were you, I'd go for no pairs if you want a community tank. I know you think your tank is "huge." But the footprint is just not big enough for that many pairs. Maybe start out with 1 male of each species you have listed, and get them all at about 3" size. That may work out pretty good.
You better do some fiberglassing of atleast the joints. This is going to be the site of failure most likely as the joint will want to move under load and as the wood swells/moves (wood does that based on humidity, etc, etc, etc...and there's no way around it. Research fiberglassing, and make sure you use fiberglass that's ok for tanks.
Either fiberglass the whole interior (I'd recommend it), and/or use pond liner. Both cost a big chunk of change.
Make sure you use thick enough glass or acrylic for your viewing pane. There's online calculators to get the thickness. It's going to be super thick, and SUPER expensive for a 40" deep tank. I think once you see how much this piece of glass is going to cost, you'll go with a shorter tank.
Honestly, you'd probably just be better off buying a 480 gallon acrylic (8 feet long X 4 feet wide X 2 feet deep). They are about $2k from a reputable company like midwest customs. That's about $1k more than it's going to cost you to build your own, and you won't have to worry about flooding your parents basement. I'd SERIOUSLY consider this if I were you.
You're going to need some serious filtration on that big of a tank as well. Read up on sump designs. My favorite is a 3 chamber sump. 1 chamber with the inlets going into filter socks. 2nd chamber is a wet/dry trickly filter stuffed with pot scrubbies, and I use an acrylic drip plate drilled appropriately. 3rd chamber is proceeded by a bubble trap and the chamber houses the pump. Make sure you leave enough room in the sump so that the back wash in the event of a power outage and the pumps shutting off won't flood over the sump.
As for your stock:
I'd read a lot in the ca/sa cichlid forum if I were you. Please don't post a bunch of threads in there. Just read, read, read, and read some more. There's already a lot of threads about species you have in your list.
What I would do is start with juvenile fish, and as they get aggressive, sell them. That'll leave you with the more passive/community friendly fish. And ca/sa cichlids that grow out together work out together much more frequently than getting bigger ca/sa cichlids and just putting them in a tank together.
Also remember that ca/sa cichlids that form pairs can kill a lot of fish even in a big tank. And your 8'X4' tank won't be big enough to have that many spawning pairs. If I were you, I'd go for no pairs if you want a community tank. I know you think your tank is "huge." But the footprint is just not big enough for that many pairs. Maybe start out with 1 male of each species you have listed, and get them all at about 3" size. That may work out pretty good.
My sump plans are in the DIY filter section. Check that out and tell me what you think. Thanks for the advice
I'M ANDREW AND I'M A FISHAHOLIC
-Andrew
