High price for azuls and kelberi

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fugupuff said:
Ok, I'm going to debunk all this wild and c.b. myth.


with the azuls: there is purportedly a breeder or two in Asia, but they have not produced any off spring yet. The ones shipped out of Brazil, which is the origin of cichla piquiti, some are wild caught and some are captive bred, mixed pretty much together, sent out of a couple of facilities., they breed them locally from wild stock, which really means they're still wild, since they're from the original waters, food, location and people. If from Asia then it would be a different story, and consider this F1 is is reality still wild fish, since the parents are wild and not related.

cichla kelberi "bahia" have a lot of yellow and gold, the one breeder who bred them made half a million dollars selling them, but the original pair was exceptional, it made cover of magazines, and posters., this breeder is a urban legend, he has millions of dollars worth of rare fish, I've seen with my own eyes. When these fish were first made available, people couldn't take their eyes off of them, and they sold so well, since most Asian people like the excessive gold, and red spangles on these fish. Now they're made more available, people are again wanting something different.

There are still some wild cichla kelberi that trickle out of South America, again not in large numbers, and the color out come will vary. Kelberi is one of the most widely distributed peacock bass in Brazil, found in many river systems, supposedly even at Rio DeJenairo

same with cichla melaniae, all the ones you see here are from maybe 2 breeders total, so the numbers as may seem high is just on MFK, most people in the country or world have never even heard of one yet.

Just think back, 10 years ago, there were no kelberi, piquiti, melaniae in the US at all! Appreciate what you have today!


Wes
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Fugupuff. Well said.. So then what's the deal with rio arraguia kelberi ? Are they really wild or all captive ?


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Wes you are my hero when it comes to fish. I always learn something from your long posts.


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X-Tank said:
If there is a price tag of something you dream of, what's complaint about? Only the problem is money can't buy.
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Can't argue with that, if you work hard enough you can get the things you want.... Cichla lol

And as far as pricing goes I don't have a problem unless a vendor is trying to sell captive bred as wild caught that is the only thing that really bothers me. The amount of lying that SOME vendors do to sell fish is ridiculous.
 
kendragon said:
Problem is CB is being sold as WC. So people paying WC prices are getting ripped off. I truely believe there are actually none to a few WC available only. Key is know your supplier.
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this type of comment would imply to me that importers like Jeff Rapps are misrepresenting their "WC" stock..... or youre full of poop


so this in turns makes me not want to buy from a reputable person and in turn would make me lose interest in the hobby all together

so the azuls i bought recently from Jeff Rapps arent WC.... im kinda pissed
 
jhutch said:
this type of comment would imply to me that importers like Jeff Rapps are misrepresenting their "WC" stock..... or youre full of poop


so this in turns makes me not want to buy from a reputable person and in turn would make me lose interest in the hobby all together

so the azuls i bought recently from Jeff Rapps arent WC.... im kinda pissed
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Not at all Brudda If Jeff says Wild he means wild Same with Wes If you bought some of the recent Azul imports of Jeff those should be a show piece for ya!!!!Furnace Lakes right??
 
jhutch said:
yeah furnace lake he said i bought a pair from him

pissed about the dumb comment not that i bought them
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You are taking kens statement out of context There are alot of venders aroound that sell farmed fish as wild these two venders stated are very trustworthy tho!!!
 
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