770 Gallon Filtration

[aldiaz33]

The connection from A to B was quite fairly made, you said his filtration was poorly designed, so in retaliation he shows the countless fish you have killed, slaughtered, murdered. (pick your descriptive word).

By doing this, it shows that a filter doesn't have to be perfect to keep fish alive... Water changes and stock level is often more important, especially if you cram 50 large fish in a relatively small glass box, doesn't really matter if you have the most efficient sump, you will be killing your fish by other means, which you are particularly good at it.

I have many fish still alive from my first tank 10 years ago, you can't keep many fish a month.

And that second part, you actually have the audacity to call his tank poorly designed? (and " empty" which I will ignore coming from you). Compared to what John? I doubt your tank and style of keeping would ever be considered appealing to watch.

The only thing going for you is the sheer amount of rare, expensive, large growing fish that you can brag about, but you kill so many that I'm quite surprised you have not been exiled from a forum that encourages the exact opposite of your fish keeping style.


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You are getting to the root of the issue...hitting the nail on the head. We are on this site because we enjoy keeping fish. We share ideas and experiences keeping them...

When someone has a track record of killing/slaughtering/murdering so many fish over such a short period of time, I think we should question their practices. I think if he had done this with less expensive fish, he would have been run out of town long ago. But because he does this to rare, exotic, expensive species, people oooh and awww over them and completely ignore his failures.

In one of his threads, some guy actually suggested that he teach a seminar on how to keep fish?

Definitely agree with you there, but he has no problems criticizing people who successfuly care for their fish......now I see why........yikes!

Go S. Vettel #1 rb8

I hope it is clear that I am not attacking him at this point. I am against his fishkeeping practices, not against him. He is a nice guy, but what he is doing is wrong.

 

[aldiaz33]

Unbelievable thread, Alex. When a newbie posts about their pacu in a hundred gallon tank, and people ask what their long term plans are for their fish, they are called "haters". You post your filtration for your beautiful tank...filtration that results in stellar water parameters, healthy fish, crispy water, and your filtration is criticized.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, and if filtration works, it works. There's no one right way or wrong way to do anything. I will say that many of us don't post our filtration because it's too scuzzy looking.

The ethnic comments are offensive and discriminatory. I work for the state, and if I made those comments, I would lose my job. Ethnic slurs do not have their place anywhere.

You have a tank and setup to be proud of. You've done a lot of very nice work. Great job!!! After this thread, I'm sure the haters will be coming out of the woodwork gunning for me when I post my setup involving my 405 gallon holding tank which will have filter socks, pond matrix and my heaters thrown in as an afterthought. I'm going to do my own thing, and it won't matter what the haters think.

Keep up the good work.

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Thanks Susan.

I find that when people do not have a strong argument, they resort to personal attacks as opposed to their their ideas (I have been guilty of this myself). I did not take offense to those statements in the least because I know that since he is in a weak position, he will lash out at me in any way he can.

Jose is right, this is a full blown intervention. Wake up and realize what you are doing to these poor creatures that are completely at our mercy in regards to every aspect of their existence...it's wrong man.

If it were any other creature, John would probably be brought up on animal cruelty charges. But since they are "just fish", he is given a pass.

I honestly wish I could give the guy a hug. I have no ill will towards him. I say this with complete sincerity.

 

[asm129]

Another one from the ethics of fishkeeping thread...another one of John's groupie cheerleaders.



I don't think I could ever be a grade school teacher...I am pretty patient, but man, this is getting old...

You still don't get it?...are you dense? I'm hoping you are a child because at least you'd have an excuse for not understanding such a basic premise; I have enough bio. My water parameters are 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrite and 10 Nitrates. How would adding another pebble of Pond Matrix make any difference. It won't.

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Are you starting to see how ridiculous you look?

I have a new one: John giving people advice on how to keep fish alive is like Ecoli giving people advice on how to prep their filtration for a long vacation.

(edited out a lot of your ranting).

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Please post a picture of your filtration setup, so that I can see what I should aim for. Please also post a picture of the water damage that 50 gallons on your floor caused.


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What is your deal dude?

When you don't know what you are talking about, it's typically best to ask questions as opposed to making ridiculous comments.

Dude as ur fish grow so does ur bio load, he's just offering you some advice that he has experienced, Ecoli is just trying to help, don't go off saying someone needs help cuz they don't agree with you. Ur setup is awesome Ecoli is just trying to make awesome(er)

If you don't like his advice just ignore it... Simple.

That's what I'm talking about. A guy makes a suggestion and you try to say he's stupid and you know so much more than he does. I bet there's a lot of people here who think your heater setup is wrong but they don't want to face your 12 paragraphs of fury in response so they won't post their opinion.

Just because ecoli or anyone else thinks your setup could be improved, it doesn't mean they believe in cramming fish into their tank or they're an unethical fish keeper. That's all in your head and that's just some way you can make yourself think you're better than anyone who dares to tell you your setup could be improved.

Everyone here likes your 770 G tank. Some people here like your sump. A couple people here really like your stock choices. But I bet no one here likes your smug attitude when it comes to getting feedback on your tank.

 

[jlnguyen74]

The connection from A to B was quite fairly made, you said his filtration was poorly designed, so in retaliation he shows the countless fish you have killed, slaughtered, murdered. (pick your descriptive word).

By doing this, it shows that a filter doesn't have to be perfect to keep fish alive... Water changes and stock level is often more important, especially if you cram 50 large fish in a relatively small glass box, doesn't really matter if you have the most efficient sump, you will be killing your fish by other means, which you are particularly good at it.

You've made good points! He asked for input so that he can retaliates with his twist and turn. He was wondering why he didn't get any input. Who has the time and effort to entertain that?

You are getting to the root of the issue...hitting the nail on the head. We are on this site because we enjoy keeping fish. We share ideas and experiences keeping them...

I'm glad to see you agreed to him, in your words, "hitting the nail on the head." I just wonder whether you agreed to it without reading the part "water changes and stock level is often more important..." or you forgot you're the one who picked on my 80% water change, 3 times a week.
I agree that we're on this site because we enjoy keeping fish. We share ideas and experiences. We weren't born with ideas and experiences. We learn them thru experiment. If everyone just sit back and wait to be spoonfed with information, I hope that ideas and experiences grow on trees.
I don't know why you keep asking about my filtration. I've mentioned it in my posts. If you read the 80% water change, 3 times a week, you shoud see that I mentioned about my filtration. Either you conveniently forget it, or you only see what your eyes want to see...

 

[jcardona1]

We weren't born with ideas and experiences. We learn them thru experiment.

This is a serious question, not trying to attack you...

If that's the case, shouldn't you have learned by now that there's obvious problems with your fish stocking choices? Are the constant deaths not an indicator of an underlying problem? To me, it seems obvious that the choices you make with the fish you keep aren't working. Rather than keep buying new fish on a weekly basis to get my 'fix', I'd try to understand what I was doing wrong...or learn from my experiences as you say.

 

[asm129]

With comments like this, who would take you seriously?

This is coming from you, a guy who compared a silver aro in a 300g to a dolphin in a kiddie pool in another thread. haha good one.

 

[F1 VET]

You've made good points! He asked for input so that he can retaliates with his twist and turn. He was wondering why he didn't get any input. Who has the time and effort to entertain that?


I'm glad to see you agreed to him, in your words, "hitting the nail on the head." I just wonder whether you agreed to it without reading the part "water changes and stock level is often more important..." or you forgot you're the one who picked on my 80% water change, 3 times a week.
I agree that we're on this site because we enjoy keeping fish. We share ideas and experiences. We weren't born with ideas and experiences. We learn them thru experiment. If everyone just sit back and wait to be spoonfed with information, I hope that ideas and experiences grow on trees.
I don't know why you keep asking about my filtration. I've mentioned it in my posts. If you read the 80% water change, 3 times a week, you shoud see that I mentioned about my filtration. Either you conveniently forget it, or you only see what your eyes want to see...

And not one word about defending yourself for being a fish murderer.......?

I wouldn't personally know, but from what I hear yikes man, maybe the 240% wc every week are whats effecting them givin your taps parameters....? Just a thought cuz I think figuring out the death of all ur fish is more important at this moment in time.


Now I can finally see where your attitude comes from and why you call people stupid all the time... If u need help ask for it.


Go S. Vettel #1 rb8

 

[jlnguyen74]

That's what I'm talking about. A guy makes a suggestion and you try to say he's stupid and you know so much more than he does. I bet there's a lot of people here who think your heater setup is wrong but they don't want to face your 12 paragraphs of fury in response so they won't post their opinion.

Yup, just like his thread went thru first 6 pages, and flew thru the next 10 pages with rage! Reading his post #67, before he editted it, I was worry that he was going to get a stroke from all those rage and rants.

 

[jlnguyen74]

And not one word about defending yourself for being a fish murderer.......?

I don't need to defend or pat myself on the back. People will recognize it. I'm not the person who created a thread to bash someone in attempting to get that person's fish for cheap, which turned out to be an epic fail! I don't make my career thru fish keeping, and I don't think many do that either. Only a few, who lacks of success in life, uses a hobby to make him looks better.

 

[jlnguyen74]

This is a serious question, not trying to attack you...

If that's the case, shouldn't you have learned by now that there's obvious problems with your fish stocking choices? Are the constant deaths not an indicator of an underlying problem? To me, it seems obvious that the choices you make with the fish you keep aren't working. Rather than keep buying new fish on a weekly basis to get my 'fix', I'd try to understand what I was doing wrong...or learn from my experiences as you say.

Please define the words "constant" and please clarify what is the underlying problem? How do you know I don't try to understand what I was doing wrong? Haven't any fish died in your care?