Cichla kelberi sp Sao Francisco

[nid]

hey nid, thanks for sharing.. mind giving some more info on this fish? would really appreciate info like its size in this pic, if you have pics when it was smaller? or more pics with bright lights? kinda researching on some stuff
thanks!

At this size if I remember correctly was roughly abt 3.5" to 4"? I got him towards ard the mid of last yr so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

This are the pics I have when I just got him, maybe 2 inch?

I got to see him grow until around 11" before my LFS transfered him to a pond. Nv saw him again.

 

[isde02]

ok update time, ill post pics of the three sao frans, two are my neighbors, and one is mine, mine's kinda skinny coz kinda hard for him to compete when i put him in my big tank with the big boys, anyway, i noticed that my sao fran and one of my neighbors look the same. then the other one has some features that are similar to the non blinged out ones, especially the slight bars in between the 3 bars. anyway here we go..


1. Neighbors non bling

2. my thinned out non bling

3. neighbors bling bling

4. neighbors combo

In this pic the one with the bling looks alot like some pics I posted awhile ago and I asked are these azul x kels and got bashed lol, but Wes was the only one that said its quite possible.

 

[isde02]

Imo #3 has the golden azul look of this adult fish.

 

[fugupuff]

Imo #3 has the golden azul look of this adult fish.

science is ever changing. Azuls were not originally part of the Sao Francisco drainage, but was transplanted there for sports fishing. So its very probable that they have hybdrized on some occasions in the wild, and even become/evolved into another, loosely termed, "specie" Only time will tell, nonetheless these are very pretty fish

 

[fugupuff]

Hey Nid,

Nice score on those pinima, too bad you don't have them anymore.

 

[nid]

Hey Nid,

Nice score on those pinima, too bad you don't have them anymore.

It's ok with me, I dun really fancy them even if they are rare. They grow too big for my tank anyway. I gave up my broko too because one day I woke up and decided i really didn't like them that much haha. I'm all abt kels and their variants. Love gold azuls too haha. What I would do to get one in isde02's pic.

 

[fugupuff]

It's ok with me, I dun really fancy them even if they are rare. They grow too big for my tank anyway. I gave up my broko too because one day I woke up and decided i really didn't like them that much haha. I'm all abt kels and their variants. Love gold azuls too haha. What I would do to get one in isde02's pic.

you're in SG, did you get some of those F2 araguaia ? those looked very promising!

 

[darboy]

thanks nid for the info! your pinima looked alike as our pinima when small, but the 4 inch specimen, wow kinda different looking. our pinimas at 4 to 5 inches looked like these....

very good info coz since pinimas are caught in multiple areas, im guessin they will have their own different physical traits. very good info indeed thanks for sharing, yeah hopefully we get to see that fish again

 

[fugupuff]

Darboy, yes, that is what I'm use to seeing also. Nid's 2-3" range looked like any pinima, but at 4-5" looked more like an azul or something...very strange. That is why I wish there were more adult pictures. They do vary a lot. I've seen some that almost look like "fogo" with the spotting and color

 

[darboy]

updated pics of our sao frans. seems like nothing has changed with the markings, probably grew 1/2 to 1 inch since the last pics though.
1. my fish..

2.jose's (neighbor) #1

3. jose's #2

sorry for some crappy pics,went to jose's in the afternoon so relfection from the glass made it hard to shoot.
anyway its obvious number one and number two look alot alike. Kelquiti-like features for sure. but there are also some slight differences like bar placement, head shape still undetermined. but number 3 totally looks alot different from the first two, although you can see some traits like the faint bars in between the 3 bars, the spangling is all over including on the head, also you can see that numbe 3's tail markings are different from one and two. so im just curious on some stuff.. and since these guys are not in the new species characteristics, we can say first that they are hybrids... some questions in mind are...
a)if you breed 2 different species like piquitis and kelberis, will their fry all look the same? or some would have more kels, and some have more piquiti traits? i stared on all the kelquitis that recently came in and found that they had all the same traits, not one was different from the other.
b) okay so we have two good examples of hybrids that look somewhat alike at the moment. but for example i get one adult kel, and and adult piquiti, and try to breed them, will their offspring look like these kelquitis and sao frans too?
c) wtf happened to number 3 fish???? i want her so bad!