The discussion is on overstocking and its risks versus not overstocking and its merits, Ballinojtacontrol, not on internet lingo and trends...
Let us not clutter the thread, please.
Let us not clutter the thread, please.
Some people shouldnt keep fish!!!!
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I'm not one of the true oldtimdrs on here but i've seen my share of this forum and it's absolutely cycles.. i think it's the climate on the internet in general that messes things up.. it's not ok to say **** but it's ok to be a general *******.. i was a mod at our swedish forum but i resigned because of this..
I think a heated debate is healthy as long as it's kept civil and you respect others' opinions.. unfortunately RD i can see what you mean with mfk being the new mainstream forum.. we were (and are) the most competent fishkeepers around but being that we end up in the top search spot on google leading to more members and more trolls and idiots.. growth is always a problem.. sure its fun to see your creation grow but at what cost..
Anyways, i can't find anyone defending 10 pacus in a 100 gallon.. I just see people wanting people to defend it so they can feel righteous.. those with tanks that everybody agrees aren't right are long gone and when they pop up they get flamed or educated depending on how they handle critique and how the criticism is brought to them.. if you.start with being a good critic most people are good listeners..
I think a heated debate is healthy as long as it's kept civil and you respect others' opinions.. unfortunately RD i can see what you mean with mfk being the new mainstream forum.. we were (and are) the most competent fishkeepers around but being that we end up in the top search spot on google leading to more members and more trolls and idiots.. growth is always a problem.. sure its fun to see your creation grow but at what cost..
Anyways, i can't find anyone defending 10 pacus in a 100 gallon.. I just see people wanting people to defend it so they can feel righteous.. those with tanks that everybody agrees aren't right are long gone and when they pop up they get flamed or educated depending on how they handle critique and how the criticism is brought to them.. if you.start with being a good critic most people are good listeners..
might as well lock it then cuz that discussion has taken it's course. bunch of people chest thumping over their opinion while presenting very lil facts and insulting the other half in the process.
it's not like we can't find a billion threads already debating the topic
Back on topic. If u guys think Ted's 180g (grow out) tank and his other monster tanks are seriously overstocked, have u guys seen the overstocked tanks in the photo lounge thread? There are way more overstocked undersized tanks from members here in that thread compared to Ted's setups...
Link to overstocked tanks in photo lounge here.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?59793-show-your-overstocked-tanks
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Link to overstocked tanks in photo lounge here.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?59793-show-your-overstocked-tanks
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+1, well said! If u disagree with another fish keepers setup, giv advice or your opinion in a respectful manor. Let them kno your thoughts with positive feedback, or just don't reply. We all hav our own methods of fishkeeping, old/new school, Inch of fish per gallon, etc. Everyone Has the Rite to Keep Fish! And MFK is a great site to share our methods, and to giv fellow members pointers and suggestions. Sharing ideas n methods best way to keep advancing the aquarium hobby
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Its kinda annoying when people jump all over legitimate threads because its been discussed in 2005 and 2008 and the OP gets smeared for not searching enough. I think its foolish to assume that no added input is possible.. but thats just an observation.
Well anyway, those whining that the fish are crowded just remember, you have to be alive to be overstocked, so what is the alternative you are pushing for on OP?
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Well anyway, those whining that the fish are crowded just remember, you have to be alive to be overstocked, so what is the alternative you are pushing for on OP?
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This thread is not about a newcomer getting flamed. In fact, it is just the opposite. Reread the inflamatory title posted by a new MFK member. The general air around here now is one of argument and confrontation. People proudly post pictures of their tank, and others will respond with, "why don't you clean the glass before you take pictures", or "get rid of the ornaments", or "your tank would look better with substrate".....etc., ect., etc.
The funniest thing about the initial picture posted is that a new member once posted the picture and tried to pass it off as his own tank. He was called on it, but he still denied it. Yup, he was banned. The picture is very old. I love that picture, even though I am not a fan of JDM. I always considered it a photo op kind of picture, especially knowing that Ted has mega big tanks. I consider Ted on a higher plane of fishkeeping than I'm at. He has tried to help people by sharing his knowledge and experience of tank building. He has taken in the discards of others and now he has been criticized and called a hoarder. He certainly has a bigger heart than me. My responsibilities are for my fish only.
We should have a discussion on defining a responsible fishkeeper. If I were to define it, it would be a person who provides adequate housing and care so that their fish live to their full life potential. When a pacu with a potential to live 30+ years dies suddenly at 2 yrs because of horrible water parameters--that is not responsible fishkeeping. But how many people pick up a fish and think 30 year commitment? The problem is with really large fish that have slight chance at rehoming. You can sell, trade, give away smaller fish. The other problem is that fish are generally viewed way down the life chain--nowhere close to dogs, cats, horses. They are lesser creatures perhaps a step or two above ants and cockroaches. I think fish are considered disposable by many people, including fishkeepers. How a person views fish in the chain of life will to a great extent determine how they will treat their fish.
The funniest thing about the initial picture posted is that a new member once posted the picture and tried to pass it off as his own tank. He was called on it, but he still denied it. Yup, he was banned. The picture is very old. I love that picture, even though I am not a fan of JDM. I always considered it a photo op kind of picture, especially knowing that Ted has mega big tanks. I consider Ted on a higher plane of fishkeeping than I'm at. He has tried to help people by sharing his knowledge and experience of tank building. He has taken in the discards of others and now he has been criticized and called a hoarder. He certainly has a bigger heart than me. My responsibilities are for my fish only.
We should have a discussion on defining a responsible fishkeeper. If I were to define it, it would be a person who provides adequate housing and care so that their fish live to their full life potential. When a pacu with a potential to live 30+ years dies suddenly at 2 yrs because of horrible water parameters--that is not responsible fishkeeping. But how many people pick up a fish and think 30 year commitment? The problem is with really large fish that have slight chance at rehoming. You can sell, trade, give away smaller fish. The other problem is that fish are generally viewed way down the life chain--nowhere close to dogs, cats, horses. They are lesser creatures perhaps a step or two above ants and cockroaches. I think fish are considered disposable by many people, including fishkeepers. How a person views fish in the chain of life will to a great extent determine how they will treat their fish.
People are not into commitment, increasingly, Pacu Mom. Everything is disposable nowadays. Unfortunately.
I tottally respect Ted and guys who took it to the next level, as I tried to convey all along this thread. Not a lot of valid arguments, imho, from the other side of the argument.
Thing is, it works, a lot of people know how to do it. Fish rarely die on them. It is a question of commitment, in fact, and not of passing fads.
Are the fish happy, unhappy ( if we have to antrophormize them ) who knows? As long as they are healthy, grow, feed and thrive normally, I think the keeper is doing his job.
I tottally respect Ted and guys who took it to the next level, as I tried to convey all along this thread. Not a lot of valid arguments, imho, from the other side of the argument.
Thing is, it works, a lot of people know how to do it. Fish rarely die on them. It is a question of commitment, in fact, and not of passing fads.
Are the fish happy, unhappy ( if we have to antrophormize them ) who knows? As long as they are healthy, grow, feed and thrive normally, I think the keeper is doing his job.
Im aware that was a bit off topic, but the second part wasnt. But I am in total agreement that the nasty streak currently is pretty ugly.
In fact this whole thread is just an attack on another fishkeeper when you read OP.
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In fact this whole thread is just an attack on another fishkeeper when you read OP.
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