Did I buy a spotted gar or Alligator?????

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I have no idea how you people have no clue what im saying but once you see your friend and other people pull a gar out of lake tarpon thats 3 foot + you will believe. There are so many scientists that believe certain fish and animals can grow to a certain size. Yet to find out they are mostly wrong and discover Monsterous sizes of animals and fish they thought could only grow that size... They thought the giant squid was a myth, Yet they found one... Before that scientists though the colosal squid was the biggest and then one day they pull up a giant squid. I do know they are different species of squid but still its fact. Certain bloodlines of animals or fish can grow larger or live longer. As in certain bloodlines that does not mean different species.... If you disagree with that statement then why is there a 200+ year old koi confirmed by scientists.

Read this... http://www.allfishingbuy.com/Fish-Species/Gar-Florida.htm Notice how it says they can reach lengths over 3 feet....
read this too if you would like...http://www.championbass.com/encyclopedia/florida_gar.php

The only reason it is hard to find them over 3 feet is because usually females only grow that large.
But ya Apperently I know nothing about gars....

Not sure what your point is exactly. Nothing that your saying relates to florida gars in captivity in any way. Also don't get the point of the links, both again don't relate to the captive keeping of florida gars and both contain incorrect information to boot. So not sure how they are significant in this discussion.

That is true but my point was a Florida gar out of captivity can reach a max of 3foot plus.I know that in captivity they cannot become that big. Also most the stores in florida carry caught gars rather then captive breed and raised. But if you were to take a female wild gar and put it into a big enough pond,(still considered captivity) it does have potential to reach 3 foot. I have seen these monsters in bass pro shop in orlando. The other poster was arguing the fact that they will not exceed 2 foot which in reality in the wild 2 foot is just the minimum size of a Florida gar. I understand that over the years of constant breeding in tanks too small for them over generations and decades has yeild a gar that cannot grow to its full potential. Therefor creating the Hobbiest florida gar which will most likely max at less the 3 foot around 2 foot 4 inch. The only fact I was fighting about is that they can exceed 3 foot in the wild and with given wild like settings plus constant food everyday up intill the day it dies is how bass pro shop has such large gars. Therefor making my statement true.:D

As hung dang already stated most places acquire their dirplay animals at large sizes. Just because your seeing a large gar doesn't meen it was raised to that size in captivity. Have you actually looked into any data on wild florida gar populations. I'd suggest you do that. Average sizes that are caught are nowhere near the sizes that you are throwing around, and are not typical. And again wild sizes does not corelate with captive gars as far as max size.

I also want to point out that these gars are not bred in tanks. But limited genetic stock could result in smaller sizes.

Not sure where you got confused. Never said that they can't get 3' in the wild. As has already been addresses places like bass pro shop would receive their display fish at already large sizes.

How about this, why don't you look up how big arapaimag's floridas have grown in his 15,000 gallon. I can already tell you it's not 24"+.

I never tried to deny that lol I know everything you just said is exactly what I'm saying. The only thing I had with the original person that said its not possible he didn't just say buying a small one and then growing it out he infered that in the wild they will not exceed 2 foot + which is a lie. But agree with me on this it is possible despite the complications to catch a baby %100 female gar and grow it out in a tank like bass pro and have a 3 foot grow out Florida gar. Who's to say bass pro even starts with big monsters they could have got some foot long floridas mixed with others and produced a 3 foot + gar out of a 1 foot female. Also I am not doubting any of your skills or knowledge on keeping gars because I'm sure you both are good keepers. It's just I have seen these 3 foot Florida gars caught and then also caught and put into captivity I'm just proving my point that a 3 foot gar is possible. I agree with you that a captive breed Florida gar is almost impossible to yield the same growth as a %100 wild Florida gar.


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Again I never mentioned wild fish, that was you. All my information has been relevant to keeping florida gars in captivity.

There are many members that have wild caught gars in their collections. Many of these entering the hobby at sizes ranging from 8 - 14". Thse gars, like those that are captive bred, max out in the 18-22" range. Nothing even approaching 24" from one that was not captured at that size already, nevermind the 3' that you keep mentioning.
 
i actually wasnt going to read the whole thread before sayi ng this guy has no clue and is trying really hard to make himself look dumb but i am glad i did...got a good laugh. my fl is almost 4yrs old niw i believe. it has been in a 180gal since it was a yoy fish. it now is 19-20" give or take. i thought before it was 22" but it wasnt, jumped out and got a tape on it. my big trop is 23"+ maybe this guy is just completly lost on what gar he is talking about.

solo why dont you just go out and buy a florida gar for once and raise it....then maybe you might understand were he is coming from...just do some research before you post next time.....lmfao....


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Im just trying to suggest the fact that it could be possible to catch a female baby Florida gar and Raise it in captivity. Now If you have a true Florida Gar that is a female and has non captive breed genes I believe it is possible for that gar... and that gar only to grow over 24" if it is given enough space and time, do you think this is possible or not.... I do. Also we have both agreed that a Florida gar with captive breed genes will not make it past 24" but that is (captive breed genes).I understand that and knew that the whole time It wasnt possible for a captive breed gar to reach past 24". My gar that I bought is (not) Captive breed and has been caught in the wild... since they originate in Florida they %100 wild. Almost no lfs in Florida would pay for a gar they could catch for free.
 
Also btw you all are rather quick to bash someone for their own opinion... And kevin and hung dang I have nothing against either one of you I consider this just a talk.....
 
Im just trying to suggest the fact that it could be possible to catch a female baby Florida gar and Raise it in captivity. Now If you have a true Florida Gar that is a female and has non captive breed genes I believe it is possible for that gar... and that gar only to grow over 24" if it is given enough space and time, do you think this is possible or not.... I do. Also we have both agreed that a Florida gar with captive breed genes will not make it past 24" but that is (captive breed genes).I understand that and knew that the whole time It wasnt possible for a captive breed gar to reach past 24". My gar that I bought is (not) Captive breed and has been caught in the wild... since they originate in Florida they %100 wild. Almost no lfs in Florida would pay for a gar they could catch for free.

actually you have to have permits to catch and sell native species and no buisness is going to waste their time to pay for all those when they can get them all day long for $5. the only place i know of that sell 100% true wild florida gar is john(snookn21). he has been doing this for years and i have not seen anyone with a gar from him say they have one over 24".

the fact is you called a dr. with his specalty in gars someone that never has owned a florida gar. the man has handled, disected, raised, imported and personally owned more gars and more species of gars then almost anyone else on here, with the exception of richard, but they work together alot. do that and youll see why people laugh at you. judge you to kack knowladge and have a warped opinon. that is like me saying i have a neon tetra that is going to be 8" long. not gonna happen.


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Also btw you all are rather quick to bash someone for their own opinion... And kevin and hung dang I have nothing against either one of you I consider this just a talk.....
So now you say it is an opinion! We consider it a hypothesis that haven't been proven or in fact have never happen while you try to say it like a fact. Though what I see(in real life) and what I have read, watched, I have never seen a gar(any species but gator since gator can live over 100 years) that wild caught when small and put in a giant tank(in your opinion it was only over 2000G) can grow to the same size as a gar in the wild.
 
actually you have to have permits to catch and sell native species and no buisness is going to waste their time to pay for all those when they can get them all day long for $5. the only place i know of that sell 100% true wild florida gar is john(snookn21). he has been doing this for years and i have not seen anyone with a gar from him say they have one over 24".

the fact is you called a dr. with his specalty in gars someone that never has owned a florida gar. the man has handled, disected, raised, imported and personally owned more gars and more species of gars then almost anyone else on here, with the exception of richard, but they work together alot. do that and youll see why people laugh at you. judge you to kack knowladge and have a warped opinon. that is like me saying i have a neon tetra that is going to be 8" long. not gonna happen.


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Come to florida and see the lfs we have. They done give a crap they will try and sell fw rays and other crap they catch you are %100 correct they will not waist time on permits... they go out and catch them not giving a crap I know an owner... I never accused him of never owning a gar it was a question. I'm sorry that I don't know all of you personally and don't know every detail about all of your lives... I understand now this thread is worthless both of you are saying you have never seen a 24" plus gar in a tank yet you both agreed with me that they have them at bass pro hahahha how halarious I give up on this thread and trying to open your eveys to the fact florida gars get bigger then you think... has a neon tetra ever be proven 8 inch??? Hell no... has anyone ever caught a 24inch plus gar... of coarse. I personally feel bad for all both of you because all you base your info on is captive gars. I suggested a theroy that is %100 possible thankyou to the gar scientist though he knows his stuff about captive gars saddly the rest of you know very little about wild florida gars.... and ya mabey some guys selling wild florida gars I garentee he is not selling them out of 5,000 gallon tanks, I could be wrong but they are probably being sold in 2 foot width tanks max. I will not post one more post on this thread because I already tricked both of you with the bass pro shop gar agreement, you both agreed they have gars 2 foot plus in captivity so this whole things over.....
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Come to florida and see the lfs we have. They done give a crap they will try and sell fw rays and other crap they catch you are %100 correct they will not waist time on permits... they go out and catch them not giving a crap I know an owner... I never accused him of never owning a gar it was a question. I'm sorry that I don't know all of you personally and don't know every detail about all of your lives... I understand now this thread is worthless both of you are saying you have never seen a 24" plus gar in a tank yet you both agreed with me that they have them at bass pro hahahha how halarious I give up on this thread and trying to open your eveys to the fact florida gars get bigger then you think... has a neon tetra ever be proven 8 inch??? Hell no... has anyone ever caught a 24inch plus gar... of coarse. I personally feel bad for all both of you because all you base your info on is captive gars. I suggested a theroy that is %100 possible thankyou to the gar scientist though he knows his stuff about captive gars saddly the rest of you know very little about wild florida gars.... and ya mabey some guys selling wild florida gars I garentee he is not selling them out of 5,000 gallon tanks, I could be wrong but they are probably being sold in 2 foot width tanks max. I will not post one more post on this thread because I already tricked both of you with the bass pro shop gar agreement, you both agreed they have gars 2 foot plus in captivity so this whole things over.....
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show me were i did this. were did i say anything regarding a bass pro shop aggreement? didnt happen. i want you to show me pics of a 36"+ florida next to a tape. shouldnt be hard to do since you see it all the time at lake tarpon.

you never acussed him of not owning a florida gar...look at post #29 again. this thread is over because you just keep digging.

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The only reason I had to respond was cause of how dumb u sound how about you do some digging cause no one said 36 inch hahaha ur just crazy now that's more like a 8 inch tetra lol even showcase said they possibly get 3 foot in wild and next time I go I will take pic just for you. I couldnt find my post about the not owning gar cause my phone does not count posts and I'm pretty sure I said " do you even own a gar?" That is a question not a statement lol. Pce:p:p:p:p:p:p
 
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