Any interesting African hybrids?

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Spartacus said:
check these out-I'm goin' tribal on ya!
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Some nice looking African mutts! I have always thought is would be cool to work towards an albino Red Empress. Was thinking you could cross it with an albino Taiwan Reef to keep the body shape and get the albino gene and then line breed to get the albino and red color combined. Oh well, not a project I plan to do at this point.

In your video, I saw the mom to my mutts... They are Fossorochromis rostratus x (Copadichromis borleyi "yellow fin" x Protomelas taeniolatus "Red Empress"). Nothing real special about them but the males have a nice overall blue with white blaze and black fins and they carry an attitude (pics were posted up top in the thread). For the most part they fall in between the parent species in body shape and color. They also work great as dither fish for my CA/SA's as they are tough enough to hold their own and are always on the move.

I have thought about getting some hybrid Tilapia to raise as feeders. They are colorful, tough, & breed and grow faster than almost any other fish. Did some looking and found this site where they sell a few different strains: http://www.tilapiadepot.com/
 
ecoli73 said:
Problem with African hybrids are that they tend to diminish rather than enhance the uniqueness of the different fish.


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It's true if you are talking about random accidental hybrids. Not so, if you see some of the newest disigner hybrids.

This is the most colorful hap tank I've seen because half the fish are designer hybrids which introduce the red and orange colors that are lacking in a pure species tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=M_06YBdaKqA&NR=1

In comparison, this is a typical pure species tank with mostly blue and not much else. I have seen many pure species hap and Mbuna tanks in public aquariums, and they all look the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stBMGvhu2Q
 
tiger15 said:
It's true if you are talking about random accidental hybrids. Not so, if you see some of the newest disigner hybrids.
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This applies not just to African but also CA hybrids. There must be thousands of FH culled away before the desirable FH were developed.

For CAs, there is a broad gene pool to work with to enhance the body shape, color and pattern. For haps, the traits that can be enhanced are color and little bit pattern (OB), but not much with body shape due to constraint of the gene pool.
 
ecoli73 said:
In your hybrid tank tiger, the best looking ones are line bred peacocks, not hybrids.


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It's hard to tell. Some of the super red peacocks could be cross between peacock and red zebra. Even if there is no crossing with zebra, line breeding peacocks from different locality is considered hybrid by purists. The most beautiful peacocks in the tank to me are the OB peacocks with vibrant red, blue, yellow, black and white combination, and they are hybrids of peacock and OB zebra. OB peacocks do not exist in the wild. This is a unique hap tank that has more other colors than blue. Hybrids bring in more color to boring pure species blue tank.

Just look at this guy's OB peacock. It's a master piece art work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3XH8nAZiY

It is interesting that ACA has a double standard. It makes no sense to me that it's OK to have hybrid Discus, Angel and Peacock in show, but not OK with other cichlids.
 
auratum said:
Some nice looking African mutts! I have always thought is would be cool to work towards an albino Red Empress. Was thinking you could cross it with an albino Taiwan Reef to keep the body shape and get the albino gene and then line breed to get the albino and red color combined. Oh well, not a project I plan to do at this point.

In your video, I saw the mom to my mutts... They are Fossorochromis rostratus x (Copadichromis borleyi "yellow fin" x Protomelas taeniolatus "Red Empress"). Nothing real special about them but the males have a nice overall blue with white blaze and black fins and they carry an attitude (pics were posted up top in the thread). For the most part they fall in between the parent species in body shape and color. They also work great as dither fish for my CA/SA's as they are tough enough to hold their own and are always on the move.

I have thought about getting some hybrid Tilapia to raise as feeders. They are colorful, tough, & breed and grow faster than almost any other fish. Did some looking and found this site where they sell a few different strains: http://www.tilapiadepot.com/
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not bad for guessing=2 outta 3 I almost said red empress! I don't like using borleyi cuz they color up too slow.not a gene I want:naughty: It's kinda funny.Think about what scientists are doing,and to say crossbreeding some fish is wrong!lol It amazes me the way people see things sometimes.You know the big time asian and german breeders are the ones saying 'dont' because you might come up w/a new breed before them!lol look at sgrest sellin those fake red texas to please people! lol I'm actually done perfecting the white one,and have a few batches with some starting to color.Maybe the next big thing!lol for me it is just for personal amusement,but it is cool when people see your fish and want them.the white peacock is my pride and joy.it is so effing bright! For a breeder,it is an accomplishment to come up with something truly different and amazing
 
Spartacus said:
so you're sayin the hybrids make the original fish look not as good.I agree,check these out-I'm goin' tribal on ya!

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Was the ob in the beginning of your video crossed between a strawberry peacock and an ob? It is awesome looking!

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tiger15 said:
It's hard to tell. Some of the super red peacocks could be cross between peacock and red zebra. Even if there is no crossing with zebra, line breeding peacocks from different locality is considered hybrid by purists. The most beautiful peacocks in the tank to me are the OB peacocks with vibrant red, blue, yellow, black and white combination, and they are hybrids of peacock and OB zebra. OB peacocks do not exist in the wild. This is a unique hap tank that has more other colors than blue. Hybrids bring in more color to boring pure species blue tank.

Just look at this guy's OB peacock. It's a master piece art work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3XH8nAZiY

It is interesting that ACA has a double standard. It makes no sense to me that it's OK to have hybrid Discus, Angel and Peacock in show, but not OK with other cichlids.
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If from differing locals,they are probably a different line,so would not be line bred.like red devil and midas? I have seen ob peacock in the wild,although it would be easy to create in an aquarium.I like that guys red dolphin he uses in his logo,but where are they? I've never seen one for sale,probably because dolphins are so popular anyways.why change it? haps are so unique anyway. I think it's about direction also,as in where is it going?what will it be? how aggressive will it be? how large? and of course color.....
 
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