Working dog or show standard?

[aclockworkorange]

Leiterfuehrigkeit is the ability, and joy, to be conducted by a leader, to be very owner attentive and wanting to learn actively.

Sometihing a mastiff breed has not.

I have neither time nor patience for dealing with a breed like that. I get enough of it from my cats.
I like the looks of many of them though.

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[Chub_by]

Yes, a lot of them, and Dutch shepherds as well. You still see plenty of GSDs out there working though. Not as many as there used to be.


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Yes , dutch shepherds are also the best for this job imo since they are very owner responsive, like the malinois, but less likely to snap when treated incorrectly.

 

[Miguel]

I have neither time nor patience for dealing with a breed like that. I get enough of it from my cats.
I like the looks of many of them though.

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There is a confusion. A mastiff has nothing to do with cats. Itdoes its job being faithfull to the mission of guarding his owner or any given place ( depends on the breeds ).

It does not fectch the ball. It does not need an active teaching and command, loke Gs or Malinois, the epitomes of Leiterfuehrigkeit.

These latter thrive on it, and need an owner as involved as them.

Quite the contrary, with Mastiffs. They just want to guard andbe near whatever it is they guard.

 

[kingofthejungle]

@ miguel. You seem pretty knowledgeable about molossers. My wife and I are looking to purchase about 5 acres Close to the mountains. native wildlife includes black bear foxes deer some coyote. Mostly concerned about the bear and coyotes. What would you recommend not too hard to come by in the states?

"im so dope im illegal in 55 states jack" Uncle Si

 

[Fish_Man_Dan]

My family breeds AKC registered yellow labs, and while we don't show as much as we used to, we breed for the love of Labradors, not the profit. In fact, good breeders often lose money on every litter, even after the sale of the pup.

At least with our dogs, while we may not hunt or send the dogs to retrieve downed birds, don't ask our dogs, they'll do anything you want them to and cuddle with you every night.

The problem with "every breed should be able to do what it was bred for" and "they should go through trials before showing" is that some breeds were bred for purposes that are not acceptable under today's standards. Take the bully breeds for example. We can't send them off to face bulls in an arena just to be eligible to prance around a ring. Requiring trials for many breeds isn't feasable, and would result in breed discrimination and a worsening reputation for some breeds.

But yes, any show dog should be built for the task they were bred for, not exaggerated like some have become.

P.s. a lot of the labs in the show rings nowadays are overweight. Beautiful dogs, but a little husky


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[Aquanero]

@ miguel. You seem pretty knowledgeable about molossers. My wife and I are looking to purchase about 5 acres Close to the mountains. native wildlife includes black bear foxes deer some coyote. Mostly concerned about the bear and coyotes. What would you recommend not too hard to come by in the states?

"im so dope im illegal in 55 states jack" Uncle Si

One dog that would fit what you're looking for and farly easy to come by here in the USA is the Pyrenean Mountain Dog or more commonly know as the Great Pyrenees. These are great gaurd dogs as well as family pets. Research some of the working lines available here in the states. A Great Pyrenees will not disapoint and they look great.

 

[Aquanero]

My family breeds AKC registered yellow labs, and while we don't show as much as we used to, we breed for the love of Labradors, not the profit. In fact, good breeders often lose money on every litter, even after the sale of the pup.

At least with our dogs, while we may not hunt or send the dogs to retrieve downed birds, don't ask our dogs, they'll do anything you want them to and cuddle with you every night.

The problem with "every breed should be able to do what it was bred for" and "they should go through trials before showing" is that some breeds were bred for purposes that are not acceptable under today's standards. Take the bully breeds for example. We can't send them off to face bulls in an arena just to be eligible to prance around a ring. Requiring trials for many breeds isn't feasable, and would result in breed discrimination and a worsening reputation for some breeds.

But yes, any show dog should be built for the task they were bred for, not exaggerated like some have become.

P.s. a lot of the labs in the show rings nowadays are overweight. Beautiful dogs, but a little husky


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Good post, thanks.

Any of the bully breeds that that were used as bull baters should show a desire to lock and hold so while they don't necessarily need to go into a field and grab a bull by the nose they should enjoy locking onto a ring and being swung around without letting go for a specified amount of time. If the line shows no desire to do so or lets go too quickly the they would be disqualified. Same for a Lab that's afraid of the water.

 

[Dan F]

One dog that would fit what you're looking for and farly easy to come by here in the USA is the Pyrenean Mountain Dog or more commonly know as the Great Pyrenees. These are great gaurd dogs as well as family pets. Research some of the working lines available here in the states. A Great Pyrenees will not disapoint and they look great.

My mom has bred Pyrs for over thirty years, they are great dogs, very good with kids.

This is Royale:

 

[Dan F]

My son a few years ago with a litter of Great Pyrenees. Doesn't get much cuter than this!

 

[Aquanero]

Great dog Dan. The pups are and your son are very cute. Thanks for posting.