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Well I believe you may be looking way to far ahead. It's good to have long term goals and short term goals. Your set up is far to small to really turn any kind of a profit, if you like to breed fish then breed them because you like to and in the long term if you can get enough tanks enough experience enough connections to make it into something that turns a profit then awesome, but also be prepared to spend way more money invested into your breeding then you will ever get back.

If I was attempting to turn a profit breeding fish and I had your similar set up here is where I'd start.

Your going to want to start small selling at your fish clubs setting something up with your LFS craigslist and save all those profits to expand.


1. set your tanks up efficiently, use only sponge filter run off air pumps or a single air pump (this may come in time) forget expensive lighting fancy tank set ups, go bare bottom for substrate. cycle these and get these ready for fish. IE pvc terra cotta pots cones whatever your fish need to breed. Also set up a fish room or "area" where your tanks are centrally located easy access to fast water changes easy to feed. Also buying food in massive bulk and reselling Im not talking 5 pounds at a time I'm talking 40 or more as much as you can afford. and use what you need and sell the rest in say 1/2 or 1/4 bags as people come to buy your fish.

2. Join any local fish clubs, do research go to all the LFS in your area listen take notes figure out what people want, what stores don't have, things that are easy to breed but command a high price. The fish business seems to defiantly be supply and demand but also fish popularity goes in and out of fashion pretty quickly. Figure out what people want and what will give you the most profit margin for your buck. IE. You wanted to dedicate an entire 55 to breed red head severums. Why would you do that if your goal is profit they take a long time to pair off they often aren't great parents (at least at first) a HIGH quality pair will be expensive, they will be a heavy bio load in the 55 need the space, and the fry only sell for maybe 5 bucks if your lucky and that's at a decent size. Not to mention when I buy mine online to mix up my gene pool I get super high quality for a $1 and still I only order them when Im getting more other things. Not to mention I've been attempting to breed these (and failing) for about a year now. (Im looking for a perfect high quality pair)

Instead in that 55 you could split it in half or even keep it together and do say 3 groups of mbuna get a nice male of each species and TONS of females and you'll have nice and expensive fry in no time. Mbuna arnt your only options either tropheus come to mind, maybe apistos, or angel fish Plecos would actually probably be the most profitable if you could afford the start uip. Again it will depend on what your general area is looking for though. same thing with the 90. The more you can breed and the more efficiently you can do it the more you will make.

3. Save all your profits and savings from your job (you'll have to be working at this time as you will most likely be losing money) and expand as you can adding more tanks. Picking up good deals on Craigslist snatching up tanks on your club FS forums learning to reseal and get leaking tanks for pennies on the dollar. Buying as many tanks from the dollar a gallon sale as you can afford and fit. Becoming more efficant as you go and spending the money to make upgrades that will save you in the long run. IE central air system, heating the room not the tanks, plumb your tanks.

4. So now your established in your area and have a decent rep for being a quality breeder. Make a website, learn how to ship it's a little more in depth then you may think and supplies is more expensive then you think. You should have a pretty decent size fish list at this point it would also be good to focus on a region of fish IE. You breed mostly Africans or mostly New worlds or catfish or whatever. And then have some others thrown in there. Advertise websites become sponsors of forums and clubs. Donate to your local club be a presence at meetings and auctions. Branch out to other near by clubs go to there auctions make donations to there raffles hand out cards sell your fish at raffles, continue to sell out of your home craigslist. Ask what people want and change your stock often only keep flawless specimens and be know for quality. Maybe begin stocking dry goods at this point a good start for dry goods would be things you are using often and can buy in mass bulk then mark up. IE food, shipping supplies, water conditioners, sponge filters, boxes media.

5. At this point you should be continue to expand maybe building an outbuilding converting a large garage renting a near by building. your online business should be going well you should be well know in not only your local club but all neighboring states clubs. this is where you would probably begin importing and whole sale buying and re selling for a profit. Ill stop here as I know nothing about this step at all.

This is just my opinion and how I see it going for me if I was going to do this and be successful at it. It seems like a very long process and also risky I'd imagine for a lot of that time you would not be making a profit at all and most likely re investing more then what your making.

There are plenty of people on here that have much larger breeding setups (thousandths of gallons) already set up efficiently and still lose money. Do it because you enjoy it and if you make some money doing it awesome if not well you had fun doing it. Guys like rapps and conkels didn't just say hey I want to make a fast buck lets breed and import fish.

Whatever you decide good luck and again this is just my opinion because trust me I have thought over and over in my heads how I could turn my hobby into a job. I just don't see it as a realistic possibly with my life situation currently but yours may be different.
 
Well I believe you may be looking way to far ahead. It's good to have long term goals and short term goals. Your set up is far to small to really turn any kind of a profit, if you like to breed fish then breed them because you like to and in the long term if you can get enough tanks enough experience enough connections to make it into something that turns a profit then awesome, but also be prepared to spend way more money invested into your breeding then you will ever get back.

If I was attempting to turn a profit breeding fish and I had your similar set up here is where I'd start.

Your going to want to start small selling at your fish clubs setting something up with your LFS craigslist and save all those profits to expand.


1. set your tanks up efficiently, use only sponge filter run off air pumps or a single air pump (this may come in time) forget expensive lighting fancy tank set ups, go bare bottom for substrate. cycle these and get these ready for fish. IE pvc terra cotta pots cones whatever your fish need to breed. Also set up a fish room or "area" where your tanks are centrally located easy access to fast water changes easy to feed. Also buying food in massive bulk and reselling Im not talking 5 pounds at a time I'm talking 40 or more as much as you can afford. and use what you need and sell the rest in say 1/2 or 1/4 bags as people come to buy your fish.

2. Join any local fish clubs, do research go to all the LFS in your area listen take notes figure out what people want, what stores don't have, things that are easy to breed but command a high price. The fish business seems to defiantly be supply and demand but also fish popularity goes in and out of fashion pretty quickly. Figure out what people want and what will give you the most profit margin for your buck. IE. You wanted to dedicate an entire 55 to breed red head severums. Why would you do that if your goal is profit they take a long time to pair off they often aren't great parents (at least at first) a HIGH quality pair will be expensive, they will be a heavy bio load in the 55 need the space, and the fry only sell for maybe 5 bucks if your lucky and that's at a decent size. Not to mention when I buy mine online to mix up my gene pool I get super high quality for a $1 and still I only order them when Im getting more other things. Not to mention I've been attempting to breed these (and failing) for about a year now. (Im looking for a perfect high quality pair)

Instead in that 55 you could split it in half or even keep it together and do say 3 groups of mbuna get a nice male of each species and TONS of females and you'll have nice and expensive fry in no time. Mbuna arnt your only options either tropheus come to mind, maybe apistos, or angel fish Plecos would actually probably be the most profitable if you could afford the start uip. Again it will depend on what your general area is looking for though. same thing with the 90. The more you can breed and the more efficiently you can do it the more you will make.

3. Save all your profits and savings from your job (you'll have to be working at this time as you will most likely be losing money) and expand as you can adding more tanks. Picking up good deals on Craigslist snatching up tanks on your club FS forums learning to reseal and get leaking tanks for pennies on the dollar. Buying as many tanks from the dollar a gallon sale as you can afford and fit. Becoming more efficant as you go and spending the money to make upgrades that will save you in the long run. IE central air system, heating the room not the tanks, plumb your tanks.

4. So now your established in your area and have a decent rep for being a quality breeder. Make a website, learn how to ship it's a little more in depth then you may think and supplies is more expensive then you think. You should have a pretty decent size fish list at this point it would also be good to focus on a region of fish IE. You breed mostly Africans or mostly New worlds or catfish or whatever. And then have some others thrown in there. Advertise websites become sponsors of forums and clubs. Donate to your local club be a presence at meetings and auctions. Branch out to other near by clubs go to there auctions make donations to there raffles hand out cards sell your fish at raffles, continue to sell out of your home craigslist. Ask what people want and change your stock often only keep flawless specimens and be know for quality. Maybe begin stocking dry goods at this point a good start for dry goods would be things you are using often and can buy in mass bulk then mark up. IE food, shipping supplies, water conditioners, sponge filters, boxes media.

5. At this point you should be continue to expand maybe building an outbuilding converting a large garage renting a near by building. your online business should be going well you should be well know in not only your local club but all neighboring states clubs. this is where you would probably begin importing and whole sale buying and re selling for a profit. Ill stop here as I know nothing about this step at all.

This is just my opinion and how I see it going for me if I was going to do this and be successful at it. It seems like a very long process and also risky I'd imagine for a lot of that time you would not be making a profit at all and most likely re investing more then what your making.

There are plenty of people on here that have much larger breeding setups (thousandths of gallons) already set up efficiently and still lose money. Do it because you enjoy it and if you make some money doing it awesome if not well you had fun doing it. Guys like rapps and conkels didn't just say hey I want to make a fast buck lets breed and import fish.

Whatever you decide good luck and again this is just my opinion because trust me I have thought over and over in my heads how I could turn my hobby into a job. I just don't see it as a realistic possibly with my life situation currently but yours may be different.

Lots of really good info here.

1) Excellent setup advice. Had not even thought of this. An alternative if you prefer to have a substrate is pool filter sand. Will add an extra bit of bio filtration on top of the sponge filters and a 50 pound bag is only $8-12 depending on where you live. A normal setup would do about 1 pound of sand per gallon of water. For breeding, do half that. Admittedly, it would be more for look than necessity as the sponge filter should be enough if done properly. It would only be for if you allow your clients to see the tanks. I have read countless consumer reports that shows customers are more willing to purchase fish from a tank that looks more like the tank they would have at home. It's the reason you see Petco and Petsmart using gravel in their tanks. A good fish keeper will not care and focuses on the quality of the fish, but not all your customers will be experienced. If you find many of your customers are turning away or are less than experienced, it might be something to consider. Again, that would only be if you allow your customers to see the tanks rather than just bagging them up a fish. If it were me, I would let them pick out their fish as it is more likely to have them bring return business.

2) More great advice. Mbuna cichlids breed fast and grow fast with a retail price that is average to high depending on the local market. I am about to start breeding angels in a few months. I'm growing out 20 Philly blue babies with the hope that a good breeding pair forms. Angels grow fast and breed often with local retail prices being pretty high for just normal angels (silver, black and white coloration combinations). The Mbuna are hardier, but aggression will be worse and you will lose some fish due to conspecifics with them while angels are not as hardy, but a pair won't kill each other and only needs 20 gallons to themselves, so that 55 can be split into 3 breeding chambers.

Also great advice on visiting local stores and fish clubs to see what others are selling/breeding and what the local demand is.

3) +++++++ Fantastic advice on sniffing out good deals for tanks. Look for small tanks (20h, 20l, 29, 40b) as smaller tanks allow for more room to house fry and breed more adults of the 1-6" sizes. Also, smaller tanks tend to need resealing less often, but are great starting points for people looking to learn to reseal a tank. Then when a large tank comes along, you can snatch it up because no one else wants the hassle. People selling a tank that needs resealing are willing to sell their tanks for $0.50 a gallon more often than not.

4&5) A little beyond my depth, but it is great advice like the rest of it.

"There are plenty of people on here that have much larger breeding setups (thousandths of gallons) already set up efficiently and still lose money. Do it because you enjoy it and if you make some money doing it awesome if not well you had fun doing it. Guys like rapps and conkels didn't just say hey I want to make a fast buck lets breed and import fish."
- This is the gem of the entire post. The best advice anyone could give you.


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Well I believe you may be looking way to far ahead. It's good to have long term goals and short term goals. Your set up is far to small to really turn any kind of a profit, if you like to breed fish then breed them because you like to and in the long term if you can get enough tanks enough experience enough connections to make it into something that turns a profit then awesome, but also be prepared to spend way more money invested into your breeding then you will ever get back.

If I was attempting to turn a profit breeding fish and I had your similar set up here is where I'd start.

Your going to want to start small selling at your fish clubs setting something up with your LFS craigslist and save all those profits to expand.


1. set your tanks up efficiently, use only sponge filter run off air pumps or a single air pump (this may come in time) forget expensive lighting fancy tank set ups, go bare bottom for substrate. cycle these and get these ready for fish. IE pvc terra cotta pots cones whatever your fish need to breed. Also set up a fish room or "area" where your tanks are centrally located easy access to fast water changes easy to feed. Also buying food in massive bulk and reselling Im not talking 5 pounds at a time I'm talking 40 or more as much as you can afford. and use what you need and sell the rest in say 1/2 or 1/4 bags as people come to buy your fish.

2. Join any local fish clubs, do research go to all the LFS in your area listen take notes figure out what people want, what stores don't have, things that are easy to breed but command a high price. The fish business seems to defiantly be supply and demand but also fish popularity goes in and out of fashion pretty quickly. Figure out what people want and what will give you the most profit margin for your buck. IE. You wanted to dedicate an entire 55 to breed red head severums. Why would you do that if your goal is profit they take a long time to pair off they often aren't great parents (at least at first) a HIGH quality pair will be expensive, they will be a heavy bio load in the 55 need the space, and the fry only sell for maybe 5 bucks if your lucky and that's at a decent size. Not to mention when I buy mine online to mix up my gene pool I get super high quality for a $1 and still I only order them when Im getting more other things. Not to mention I've been attempting to breed these (and failing) for about a year now. (Im looking for a perfect high quality pair)

Instead in that 55 you could split it in half or even keep it together and do say 3 groups of mbuna get a nice male of each species and TONS of females and you'll have nice and expensive fry in no time. Mbuna arnt your only options either tropheus come to mind, maybe apistos, or angel fish Plecos would actually probably be the most profitable if you could afford the start uip. Again it will depend on what your general area is looking for though. same thing with the 90. The more you can breed and the more efficiently you can do it the more you will make.

3. Save all your profits and savings from your job (you'll have to be working at this time as you will most likely be losing money) and expand as you can adding more tanks. Picking up good deals on Craigslist snatching up tanks on your club FS forums learning to reseal and get leaking tanks for pennies on the dollar. Buying as many tanks from the dollar a gallon sale as you can afford and fit. Becoming more efficant as you go and spending the money to make upgrades that will save you in the long run. IE central air system, heating the room not the tanks, plumb your tanks.

4. So now your established in your area and have a decent rep for being a quality breeder. Make a website, learn how to ship it's a little more in depth then you may think and supplies is more expensive then you think. You should have a pretty decent size fish list at this point it would also be good to focus on a region of fish IE. You breed mostly Africans or mostly New worlds or catfish or whatever. And then have some others thrown in there. Advertise websites become sponsors of forums and clubs. Donate to your local club be a presence at meetings and auctions. Branch out to other near by clubs go to there auctions make donations to there raffles hand out cards sell your fish at raffles, continue to sell out of your home craigslist. Ask what people want and change your stock often only keep flawless specimens and be know for quality. Maybe begin stocking dry goods at this point a good start for dry goods would be things you are using often and can buy in mass bulk then mark up. IE food, shipping supplies, water conditioners, sponge filters, boxes media.

5. At this point you should be continue to expand maybe building an outbuilding converting a large garage renting a near by building. your online business should be going well you should be well know in not only your local club but all neighboring states clubs. this is where you would probably begin importing and whole sale buying and re selling for a profit. Ill stop here as I know nothing about this step at all.

This is just my opinion and how I see it going for me if I was going to do this and be successful at it. It seems like a very long process and also risky I'd imagine for a lot of that time you would not be making a profit at all and most likely re investing more then what your making.

There are plenty of people on here that have much larger breeding setups (thousandths of gallons) already set up efficiently and still lose money. Do it because you enjoy it and if you make some money doing it awesome if not well you had fun doing it. Guys like rapps and conkels didn't just say hey I want to make a fast buck lets breed and import fish.

Whatever you decide good luck and again this is just my opinion because trust me I have thought over and over in my heads how I could turn my hobby into a job. I just don't see it as a realistic possibly with my life situation currently but yours may be different.
Thank you sooooooo much!!!!!! You don't know how helpful this is to me!!!!
 
I wish you the very best with this but not sure I see it working out. You need to find fish and hope they form pairs. Larger fish can be hard to get pairs from so starting with smaller fish always works better. Electric cost, feeding and water changes will keep you from making money for a while if at all. You have to think about your competitor's and how you can compete with them. All of my fish come from rapps and for good reason.

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I wish you the very best with this but not sure I see it working out. You need to find fish and hope they form pairs. Larger fish can be hard to get pairs from so starting with smaller fish always works better. Electric cost, feeding and water changes will keep you from making money for a while if at all. You have to think about your competitor's and how you can compete with them. All of my fish come from rapps and for good reason.

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Well Jeff rapps had to start somewhere. I already sell native fish since spring of 2012, I sell trout, sunfish, and bass that I breed in ponds naturally. So here's my plan for the future:
After my business selling natives via aquabid kicks off and I earn a good feedback score on aquabid, I will slowly start selling small fish(expensive show guppys, show bettas, and other Livebearers that command high prices) and inverts(rare snails, shrimp, crayfish) that I breed in small 5-15 gallon aquariums, all while still selling the natives. Then, I will keep saving up money, buying dollar per gallon sale tanks and Craigslist deals(mostly desirable 40b and 55s), and slowly get into some larger fish. As djlamonica suggested, I will probably breed some mbuna in the 40bs and 55s and breed other medium-small fish that command premium prices. Than I will keep saving, keep saving, and keep saving more, all buying new tanks for great deals(at this point I will have been doing it for 3-4 years). I than will put in an air pump for shipping and get serious, and create a website. I will than import my fish and breed some cichlids and other big fish. Hopefully it will kick off like rapps then.
 
Well I believe you may be looking way to far ahead. It's good to have long term goals and short term goals. Your set up is far to small to really turn any kind of a profit, if you like to breed fish then breed them because you like to and in the long term if you can get enough tanks enough experience enough connections to make it into something that turns a profit then awesome, but also be prepared to spend way more money invested into your breeding then you will ever get back.

If I was attempting to turn a profit breeding fish and I had your similar set up here is where I'd start.

Your going to want to start small selling at your fish clubs setting something up with your LFS craigslist and save all those profits to expand.


1. set your tanks up efficiently, use only sponge filter run off air pumps or a single air pump (this may come in time) forget expensive lighting fancy tank set ups, go bare bottom for substrate. cycle these and get these ready for fish. IE pvc terra cotta pots cones whatever your fish need to breed. Also set up a fish room or "area" where your tanks are centrally located easy access to fast water changes easy to feed. Also buying food in massive bulk and reselling Im not talking 5 pounds at a time I'm talking 40 or more as much as you can afford. and use what you need and sell the rest in say 1/2 or 1/4 bags as people come to buy your fish.

2. Join any local fish clubs, do research go to all the LFS in your area listen take notes figure out what people want, what stores don't have, things that are easy to breed but command a high price. The fish business seems to defiantly be supply and demand but also fish popularity goes in and out of fashion pretty quickly. Figure out what people want and what will give you the most profit margin for your buck. IE. You wanted to dedicate an entire 55 to breed red head severums. Why would you do that if your goal is profit they take a long time to pair off they often aren't great parents (at least at first) a HIGH quality pair will be expensive, they will be a heavy bio load in the 55 need the space, and the fry only sell for maybe 5 bucks if your lucky and that's at a decent size. Not to mention when I buy mine online to mix up my gene pool I get super high quality for a $1 and still I only order them when Im getting more other things. Not to mention I've been attempting to breed these (and failing) for about a year now. (Im looking for a perfect high quality pair)

Instead in that 55 you could split it in half or even keep it together and do say 3 groups of mbuna get a nice male of each species and TONS of females and you'll have nice and expensive fry in no time. Mbuna arnt your only options either tropheus come to mind, maybe apistos, or angel fish Plecos would actually probably be the most profitable if you could afford the start uip. Again it will depend on what your general area is looking for though. same thing with the 90. The more you can breed and the more efficiently you can do it the more you will make.

3. Save all your profits and savings from your job (you'll have to be working at this time as you will most likely be losing money) and expand as you can adding more tanks. Picking up good deals on Craigslist snatching up tanks on your club FS forums learning to reseal and get leaking tanks for pennies on the dollar. Buying as many tanks from the dollar a gallon sale as you can afford and fit. Becoming more efficant as you go and spending the money to make upgrades that will save you in the long run. IE central air system, heating the room not the tanks, plumb your tanks.

4. So now your established in your area and have a decent rep for being a quality breeder. Make a website, learn how to ship it's a little more in depth then you may think and supplies is more expensive then you think. You should have a pretty decent size fish list at this point it would also be good to focus on a region of fish IE. You breed mostly Africans or mostly New worlds or catfish or whatever. And then have some others thrown in there. Advertise websites become sponsors of forums and clubs. Donate to your local club be a presence at meetings and auctions. Branch out to other near by clubs go to there auctions make donations to there raffles hand out cards sell your fish at raffles, continue to sell out of your home craigslist. Ask what people want and change your stock often only keep flawless specimens and be know for quality. Maybe begin stocking dry goods at this point a good start for dry goods would be things you are using often and can buy in mass bulk then mark up. IE food, shipping supplies, water conditioners, sponge filters, boxes media.

5. At this point you should be continue to expand maybe building an outbuilding converting a large garage renting a near by building. your online business should be going well you should be well know in not only your local club but all neighboring states clubs. this is where you would probably begin importing and whole sale buying and re selling for a profit. Ill stop here as I know nothing about this step at all.

This is just my opinion and how I see it going for me if I was going to do this and be successful at it. It seems like a very long process and also risky I'd imagine for a lot of that time you would not be making a profit at all and most likely re investing more then what your making.

There are plenty of people on here that have much larger breeding setups (thousandths of gallons) already set up efficiently and still lose money. Do it because you enjoy it and if you make some money doing it awesome if not well you had fun doing it. Guys like rapps and conkels didn't just say hey I want to make a fast buck lets breed and import fish.

Whatever you decide good luck and again this is just my opinion because trust me I have thought over and over in my heads how I could turn my hobby into a job. I just don't see it as a realistic possibly with my life situation currently but yours may be different.

Lfs are not always the best route. Know the lfs here has offered me 10¢ ea for rarer types of apistos. Ex panduro, rotpunk, hongsloi. If I went over there with 100 fish I would only make 10$ which wouldn't even cover fuel there and back.

Currently doing the same thing. Expenses are hard to estimate as I'm using my personal stuff for the new fish coming in and remaking new stupid for my personal fish... If that makes any sense...


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Lfs are not always the best route. Know the lfs here has offered me 10¢ ea for rarer types of apistos. Ex panduro, rotpunk, hongsloi. If I went over there with 100 fish I would only make 10$ which wouldn't even cover fuel there and back.

Currently doing the same thing. Expenses are hard to estimate as I'm using my personal stuff for the new fish coming in and remaking new stupid for my personal fish... If that makes any sense...


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If its not too much trouble, please :
1. Some pics of your fishroom
2. What you breed
3. Your tank and filter setup
4. Any other info you would like to share
 
Good luck man but i don't know if this will ever be worth it, besides being fun. But even rapps, who is one of the best in the business, what do you think he makes in a year? 50k? 60k? That might be wayy too generous. Not worth it. Maybe a side gig but I wouldn't expect to retire on it. Anyways, the money isn't in the cool fish. The money would most likely be in the tropical community fish that Walmart sells.


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