Red texas fading red?

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And this dosen't even get into the difference between the red that comes from the synspilum and the red that comes from the mi/devil. Its a very complicated issue. Best to let the fading to the breeders and pay the premium for that 5-6 inch fully faded dominant male. The reason they cost so much is it represents all the years of work by the breeder, raising hundreds of fish so you can just have that one. : )
 
I think it's worth mentioning here that faded cichlids possess the trait in a spectrum that can vary from white to red, with orange being the most common. I have put white parrots with orange parrots and have had them turn yellow, and, most commonly, I have faded batches of parrots that come out yellow and added purple parrots to make them all orange. It is clear to me that environment is at least a significant predictor of fade color. Other breeders have told me that things like adding salt or raising the temperature can have an effect on the colors faders fade to, and this of course supports this theory. From what I have heard, parrot breeders may have created the "purple" parrot strain by giving fish red-enhancing hormones or dye, and then breeding them with the current stock. People may think this wouldn't work, as the red change is not changing the genes of the fish, but the color of the parents could potentially effect an epigenetic change in the sucessive generations, if the fry are not artificially reared. In fact simply introducing dyed fish into a population may increase the color of the group. Fish may change color in the wild in order to identify with a group, and this would be supported by the fact that coverage of the fade color indicates societal rank.

Many methods are probably used, hormones seem to be quite common and I would personally warn against buying any fully faded red texas under at least 3 or 4 inches in size.
But different methods may be possible. Red gravel is commonly used and has a mild effect. Different mineral content in the water, temperature, etc, as well as different environmental factors may be useful as well.

Well thank you sir for you input. I do agree with some of what you said but not all. When one refers to a SRT... The red that is displayed is NOT the color of a Red Devil, Midas, or your average bp(unless its dyed). I experimented with a fader and the fading process doesn't always have to do with rank or size. I had a fader with a spawning pair of Carpintis. They chased it daily(in other words it was within a very stressful environment). To make a long story short it was fully faded by 3 inches. So with that being said the size or rank does not always affect it genes from producing the color it is supposed to produce. I also have a female bp/tex cross that took 2 years to show a sign of fading. She is still slowly fading now and she is about 9 inches. The reason I bring that up is because she would have been labeled a "non fader" in a store. But someone would have been freaking out when they noticed how she started fading so late. So if she was bred before she faded we would have thought we weren't going to get any faders out of the batch. Unfortunately we were to busy to focus on that spawn. But she is still alive and we will try spawning again with her. Now as far as the dye that is use to change bp's color having an effect on the colors it produces... I can't say nothing about that because I have yet to use a dyed bp. Now I have produced a couple(first generation crosses) that have had the rich red around the head like a syn... But those that displayed the rich "red" did not fade. I'm still with FHlov... The red can come after the fade... It just takes a few generations of line breeding to bring it out. Yes. I agree there are many things(like gravel and lighting as u stated) that can be done to an "orange" fish to make it look more red. Once again I feel I need to say I'm only talking about the bp/tex or bp/carp crosses.
 
And this dosen't even get into the difference between the red that comes from the synspilum and the red that comes from the mi/devil. Its a very complicated issue. Best to let the fading to the breeders and pay the premium for that 5-6 inch fully faded dominant male. The reason they cost so much is it represents all the years of work by the breeder, raising hundreds of fish so you can just have that one. : )

Yes a complicated issue it is. I am a breeder and that's why I brought it up. But yes the whole process takes time and patience. Without either one you might as well not try an rt project. Yes getting that one unique look is a very low percenatage and if I came up with it, it would be priceless! Lol Now another thing I want to point out and ask(not just you, anybody viewing of corse lol)... The very first pic posted on this thread is of a mammon cross and it has cyano pearls. If the cyano pearling is the lowest grade... Then where are the mammon/carpintis crosses at?
 
Yes a complicated issue it is. I am a breeder and that's why I brought it up. But yes the whole process takes time and patience. Without either one you might as well not try an rt project. Yes getting that one unique look is a very low percenatage and if I came up with it, it would be priceless! Lol Now another thing I want to point out and ask(not just you, anybody viewing of corse lol)... The very first pic posted on this thread is of a mammon cross and it has cyano pearls. If the cyano pearling is the lowest grade... Then where are the mammon/carpintis crosses at?

To elaborate on my last question... How about mammon/escondido crosses? Those would look amazing! Picture a faded mammon with escondido pearls... Anybody have a picture of this?
 
Its been done and yes. It is a fact that the red in blood parrots comes from both the syn red that they grow into and the fader red that comes all at once. SRT red comes from parrot ergo they have red gene from both groups

Pictures of the mammon/carp please. Yeah I produced a few that had red around the head like a syn but those didn't fade. Sorry my title is misleading... I am only talking about the initial bp/tex or bp/carp cross. I would like pictures if your saying yes the initial cross can produce a red fish that has "faded" and looks like your SRT... which is a beauty!
 
That fish faded, you can still see some black spots on the bottom fins

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Those little spots are seen on faders but it isn't a dead give away for me that this one has faded. If that fish faded that red it was done after many generations of line breeding. That would never come from the initial bp/carpintis spawn. Could we get some more information on the fish?
 
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