Suggestions for an uncommon SA dwarf cichlid

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Hey Ryan,

I stumbled upon an old email from Jeff Rapps from months ago when I was looking for some super red sevs and he recommended the krobia orange species. I like the coloration and I have to admit that my area of enjoyment from cichlids seems to land in the 4-6" range. LOL

I was looking into them and saw a post from you a few years back where you had a couple of groups of these guys and they showed breeding behavior, but wouldn't breed. I was wondering if you had ever succeeded in getting them to spawn?


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If you go the pelvicachromis route, Jeff at Aquatic Clarity is a stand up guy with good fish. He's actually our speaker this month at the Captial Cichlid Association meeting. I've never kept the taeniatus, but several CCA members have. Some have reported trouble with females becoming egg bound.

As for the krobia xinguensis, they are really cool fish. Not sure if Ryan had success breeding them, but I know Dogofwar has. I've kept them a few times, and wouldn't recommend them for a 20. They get too big and bulky. A 4' tank would be better.
 
jonclark96 said:
If you go the pelvicachromis route, Jeff at Aquatic Clarity is a stand up guy with good fish. He's actually our speaker this month at the Captial Cichlid Association meeting. I've never kept the taeniatus, but several CCA members have. Some have reported trouble with females becoming egg bound.

As for the krobia xinguensis, they are really cool fish. Not sure if Ryan had success breeding them, but I know Dogofwar has. I've kept them a few times, and wouldn't recommend them for a 20. They get too big and bulky. A 4' tank would be better.
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I will have a 40 I can put 2 krobia in for a breeding tank. I might give them a try later on, but it sounds like they might be a bit more difficult to breed than what I am looking for.

What is egg bound? I have never heard that term before.

I think I am going to pull the trigger on the Pelvicachromis taeniatus. My water parameters are more to their liking and I think that will make them easier to breed.


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I think I have Ryan's Krobia group (plus more that I've had for a couple of years)... I have a pair + a spare in a 4' 55g... and another group in a 6' 180g. Happy to say that they're all doing well and breed pretty regularly :)

No way that I would try keeping K. xinguensis in a 20g.

I'm really not a fan of 20Hs for most cichlids bigger than Apistos, especially when they breed. 20L is much better.

I get away with breeding Cryptoheros and "cons" in 15gs and 20Hs using dividers. Not ideal but it keeps the females from getting killed...

Matt

jonclark96 said:
If you go the pelvicachromis route, Jeff at Aquatic Clarity is a stand up guy with good fish. He's actually our speaker this month at the Captial Cichlid Association meeting. I've never kept the taeniatus, but several CCA members have. Some have reported trouble with females becoming egg bound.

As for the krobia xinguensis, they are really cool fish. Not sure if Ryan had success breeding them, but I know Dogofwar has. I've kept them a few times, and wouldn't recommend them for a 20. They get too big and bulky. A 4' tank would be better.
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If you are interested in Krobia Xinguenses, I have raised many batches of fry from the group I had. They are one of my favorite cichlis of all time. The reds and breeding colors are amazing IMO. The top two pix are the parents and the bottom pic is some of their offspring.

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Matt, did your group come from Peter? Peter had mine and spawned them, then sold a bunch of the fry on Aquabid. I thought maybe the Krobia coming from Rapps were from my pair, but maybe it's just coincidental that he has them now. For a few years no one was breeding or importing them; I was one of the few around here trying to spawn them. I had to beg for my 4 from Ken Davis. They wouldn't spawn because of my pH -- as soon as they got to Peter's, they spawned.

I am breeding Krobia guianensis now. They're not as colorful but they're still cute fish and not shy at all like K. xinguensis.
 
Yes - got them from Peter...and I actually keep them w/K. guianensis. They're doing great, spawn regularly but I'm too busy to raise the fry (although I think I have a few in a grow out tank)...

Cheers,
Matt

ryansmith83 said:
Matt, did your group come from Peter? Peter had mine and spawned them, then sold a bunch of the fry on Aquabid. I thought maybe the Krobia coming from Rapps were from my pair, but maybe it's just coincidental that he has them now. For a few years no one was breeding or importing them; I was one of the few around here trying to spawn them. I had to beg for my 4 from Ken Davis. They wouldn't spawn because of my pH -- as soon as they got to Peter's, they spawned.

I am breeding Krobia guianensis now. They're not as colorful but they're still cute fish and not shy at all like K. xinguensis.
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I grew out like 10 K. guianensis and they ended up being mostly female, so I'm using them for dithers in some of my smaller tanks. I have one female who keeps the peace in my Heroina tank and one to calm down my Crenicara punctulatum, which can be very shy and jumpy. The big males fight a lot so I have two in my 210 (one gets beat to hell pretty regularly, even with no females present) and one in my 150 with a harem of females. He is a bulky fish with cool dorsal and anal fins. They mostly just argue amongst themselves and leave other fish alone unless they're sitting on eggs/fry.
 
IMO the Krobia probably wouldn't spawn in that water. I have a similar pH with lower gH/kH and they would only court one another. Peter's pH was in the 6's and they spawned not long after he got them.

Pelvicachromis species' sex ratios are often affected by pH. Depending on the water you raise them in, you may have a shortage of males or females. If I'm not mistaken, P. taeniatus would need a neutral pH of 7 to get a fairly balanced number of males and females. Some fish, like E. lucanusi, seem to spawn in softer water with a lower pH, so I haven't figured out yet what that means for their fry. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

I'm assuming HRP, if they're anything like convicts, will spawn in that water.
 
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