Tips to stop tsn breaking their nose?

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I want to get another tsn but want to research some stuff 1st, my last 1 never had this problem but he was only a foot long when I had to sell him. All the ones I've seen that are bigger than this seem to have damaged noses, is this the result of bad fish keeping or just a problem with the species living in aquaria?


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monsterkeeper87 said:
No fish should naturally be in a tank... The tank will be very big, I just wanted to know if there is a reason they get bent noses other than the tank being to small


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That's true but this one really shouldn't be in a tank. How big is big? Running into the tanks flat sides.

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Soft sided tank would be ideal. Either liner over foam insulation or liner type above ground pool should have enough give to keep them from breaking noses. Otherwise, large tanks, minimal lighting, no tankmates, and no sudden movements outside the tank should minimize but not eliminate the risk.
And being lucky never hurts.

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I would think that some sort of plastic liner around the edge with foam behind it to seperate the foam from the water would work. Or you can make a tsn helmet lol :D
 
Ive never had a tsn break its nose in 8yrs of keeping them. Broken noses are from cramming them in small tanks when there 2' imo...currently have 8 in the 24-36"range and there very placid but also in a 1700 pool....most of them were in a 650gal for a while with no problems either. Alot of tsn have "spoonbill" deformities from birth if thats what your referring too. This is from being captive bred as ive seen and own a few like this. Some are completly hanous in the head area lol, i have one with the face of camel joe and its not a broken nose as he was this way from 3" and the deformities grow with the fish. Same as deformed redtails and deformed rtcxtsn....any "chain" petstore carries alot of deformed cats in the tsn rtc families. My suggestion is a 8x3 footprint once they hit 14-18", this is a bare minium, they just need space. Ive never had any freak out or panic under high light inside a tank. Imo they also do well in numbers or a pack, they become very very calm with friends of their own kind. Guys do not flame me for saying this but a 180, standard 300, standard 265, or anything with a 2' floor depth is just too small for them. I dont even like keeping 12" ers in a 2' footprint as its just not made for them. They grow out very well in a 300 rubbermaid and the growth rate of my own from a 650 to 1700 pool was night and day...were talking packing on another 6-12" in a few weeks in the 1700 after being dropped in as opposed to being stopped at 24" even in a 9'x4' 650. If i was put in a small room permenatly id bash my head against the wall repediatly until i felt better too lol...

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like wednesday said this is combination of both tank size and bad genetics mostof the bad genes are due to inbreeding sometimes the deformity is so severe that the fish can't even open its mouth to feed


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Thanks for the replies, not sure on the exact dimensions yet because I'm having a tank custom build to fit a space in the house I'm moving to in the next few weeks but its definitely going to be 4' w 3'-3.5' d and around 10' long give or take a foot, haven't checked the volume on a calculator yet and no I wasn't referring to the "duck bill" deformed ones I had just noticed a lot of the over 2' had damage that looked like it was caused by a previously broken nose


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I'm not sure its always genetics neccisarily I wonder if its insufficient/improper nutrition. But in a nutshell.. poor husbandry is where I'de wager 90% of deformed large cats come from. either poor water quality, food, tank space.. or often a combination of 2 or all. The only time I've had issues with large cats health wise was when I had a filter crash on me... I haven't had a significant amount of big cats to really guage how often genetic issues come into play but I've seen plenty of obviosuely stunted/poorly kept ones with physical defects ect... imo TSNS and other active predatory cats are best housed like sw sharks.. in large round/oval enclosures opposed to 4 walls. I have noticed a difference in my hybrid and tsn since moving them to my round pool. not just how much calmer they are now w/ plenty of space but when they do freak on occasion they hit the wall and slide along it instead of being stopped by it. So they don't "Hit" it.

with a custom tank might be worth checking how much extra it would cost to have it a double bullnose ( ie rounded at each end) if your main reason is to house big cats like TSNs. or at least make sure there will be a large enough hide spot the cats will feel less inclined to spook.
 
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