Why you are so bent up on If If If If If? Give it a rest, we get it. You're an expert and I'm not. Happy now?
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Not I, but you, remember?
I made my case on here and via PM so I'm done. Take it for what it's worth, we both have valid points.
I shall be done unless Trent sends me more info on this subject which I will then post.
And you will get some hefty fines...can't wait to see when a conservation officer shows up at your placeSpeaking of the Round Goby, I sure would like to have a few in my tank
And you will get some hefty fines...can't wait to see when a conservation officer shows up at your place
Which is why I don't have one.
I asked about them a while ago and this was the response:
We do not consider the Round Goby to be an aquarium species (see below), so it falls under Section 1. Therefore you cannot possess them. This is critical in that the Round Goby is highly invasive and is considered a dangerous nuisance species…
301 KAR 1:122. Importation, possession, and prohibited aquatic species.
RELATES TO: KRS 150.180
STATUTORY AUTHORITY: KRS 150.025(1)(c), 150.280(2)
NECESSITY, FUNCTION, AND CONFORMITY: KRS 150.025(1)(c) authorizes the department to promulgate administrative regulations regarding the buying, selling, or transporting of fish and wildlife. KRS 150.280(2) authorizes the department to promulgate administrative regulations prohibiting the holding or transporting of species potentially damaging to native ecosystems. This administrative regulation establishes the species of aquatic life which are prohibited in the Commonwealth.
Section 1. A person shall not buy, sell, possess, import, or release any aquatic species not native or established in Kentucky waters, except as specified in Sections 2, 4, or 5 of this administrative regulation.
Section 2. Exceptions. (1) A person may buy, sell, import, or possess aquarium species, except those specified in Section 3 of this administrative regulation, but shall not release the species into Kentucky waters.
(2) A person may buy, sell, import, or possess sterile, triploid grass carp (Ctenopharyngodon idella), but shall comply with the requirements of 301 KAR 1:171.
(3) A fertile, diploid grass carp may only be imported or possessed by a certified propagator for the exclusive purpose of producing triploid grass carp.
Section 3. The following live aquatic organisms shall not be imported, bought, sold, or possessed in aquaria:
(1) Subfamily Serrasalminae - piranha, piraya, pirae, or tiger characins;
(2) Astyanax mexicanus - Mexican banded tetra, Mexican minnow or Mexican tetra;
(3) Petromyzon marinus - sea lamprey;
(4) Genus Clarias - walking catfish;
(5) Genus Channa - snakeheads of Asia and Africa; or
(6) Dreissena polymorpha - zebra mussel.
Section 4. Asian carp. (1) A person shall not buy, sell, import, transport, or release the following live Asian carp species:
(a) Hypophthalmichthys molitrix – silver carp;
(b) Hypophthalmichthys nobilis – bighead carp;
(c) Mylopharyngodon piceus – black carp; or
(d) Ctenopharyngodon idella – grass carp, except as established in Section 2(2) and (3) of this administrative regulation.
(2) A licensed commercial fisherman shall be permitted to possess, sell, and transport the species of Asian carp listed in Section 4(1) of this administrative regulation if the Asian carp are:
(a) Not being transported in water;
(b) Moribund; and
(c) Being transported to a fish processing facility.
There is nothing more I'd love than to catch a gator gar here on NC. I don't think they were ever native here though. Supposedly there has been a few sightings in the white oak river in southeast NC.
BTW, you'd think if Flatheads can't control them, nothing can, except for humans.
BTW, you'd think if Flatheads can't control them, nothing can, except for humans.
aren't our states and law makers great!! they wait till it's a problem then make them illegal!! 
Haha what a rant. If if if why why why. The truth is, people are the only answer. Gars would be great to restock, but they won't help at this point...
Here is more info on the Gar:
For the most part, these are natural water bodies that are managed with man made water level control structures. I don't have the average depth info available at the moment.
Being at the northern limit of their distribution, there's always some concern about an especially severe winter's impact on their survival. Historically, I imagine the occasional harsh winter may have knocked their northern populations back a bit, but there were always nearby populations to re-populate these waters.
I was not able to read the article beyond the abstract on my phone, so I am not yet sure of the survey you are referring to. There are some significant differences between alligator gar and Florida Bass with regards to hardiness and sensitivity to the various environmental factors. Also, Florida Bass were never found this far north. If/When they are stocked this far north, they are in direct competition with the native northern strain of largemouth bass and do not do well. Even as far north as Tennessee, stocked Florida Bass were quickly out-competed by the native largemouth bass and their genes were no longer detectable in the stocked populations in a very short number of years. Alligator gar are ecologically different from the other gar species and are not utilizing identical, although similar, niches. For example, their larger size allows them to utilize much larger prey items than the other gars. Also, their spawning times and locations are reportedly different from the other gar species.
Thanks,
Trent
For the most part, these are natural water bodies that are managed with man made water level control structures. I don't have the average depth info available at the moment.
Being at the northern limit of their distribution, there's always some concern about an especially severe winter's impact on their survival. Historically, I imagine the occasional harsh winter may have knocked their northern populations back a bit, but there were always nearby populations to re-populate these waters.
I was not able to read the article beyond the abstract on my phone, so I am not yet sure of the survey you are referring to. There are some significant differences between alligator gar and Florida Bass with regards to hardiness and sensitivity to the various environmental factors. Also, Florida Bass were never found this far north. If/When they are stocked this far north, they are in direct competition with the native northern strain of largemouth bass and do not do well. Even as far north as Tennessee, stocked Florida Bass were quickly out-competed by the native largemouth bass and their genes were no longer detectable in the stocked populations in a very short number of years. Alligator gar are ecologically different from the other gar species and are not utilizing identical, although similar, niches. For example, their larger size allows them to utilize much larger prey items than the other gars. Also, their spawning times and locations are reportedly different from the other gar species.
Thanks,
Trent
