Camaro Firebreather

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aclockworkorange said:
Pretty much from '82 on, pontiac made it, chevy shaked it!


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From late 70s on it was all Chevy except the badging since GM stopped making engines specifically for Pontiac. Prior to that they were the same car with slightly different body panels and different engines.


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Having driven countless camaros, they need to rebuild the car from the ground up before going nutty on high end variations. Proportions are strange, visibility is horrendous and the car is far to heavy. Perfect example is the new 75000 dollar z28 track toy. Sounds like a good idea but a curb weight near 2 tons wont make a great track car.

And to everyone saying to put a pontiac badge on it... THATS why pontiac is dead. Dont blame the aztec, blame lazy engineers throwing new bumpers and badges on chevys and trying to sell them as a different car.
 
brich999 said:
Having driven countless camaros, they need to rebuild the car from the ground up before going nutty on high end variations. Proportions are strange, visibility is horrendous and the car is far to heavy. Perfect example is the new 75000 dollar z28 track toy. Sounds like a good idea but a curb weight near 2 tons wont make a great track car.

And to everyone saying to put a pontiac badge on it... THATS why pontiac is dead. Dont blame the aztec, blame lazy engineers throwing new bumpers and badges on chevys and trying to sell them as a different car.
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Wasn't lazy engineers but a single manufacturer making two models that were the same car. Same thing that was done basically the entire time the firebird and Camaro were in production.


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All of the American automakers were lazy bums until a few years ago. Not till companies went out of business or went bankrupt did they get off their butts.
 
brich999 said:
Having driven countless camaros, they need to rebuild the car from the ground up before going nutty on high end variations. Proportions are strange, visibility is horrendous and the car is far to heavy. Perfect example is the new 75000 dollar z28 track toy. Sounds like a good idea but a curb weight near 2 tons wont make a great track car.

And to everyone saying to put a pontiac badge on it... THATS why pontiac is dead. Dont blame the aztec, blame lazy engineers throwing new bumpers and badges on chevys and trying to sell them as a different car.
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Camaros are fine where they're at. Chevrolet saves nutty for the Corvette. Which Camaro do you think isn't proportioned right? I've never heard of a visibility issue and I've owned almost 1of every body style.
 
brich999 said:
And to everyone saying to put a pontiac badge on it... THATS why pontiac is dead. Dont blame the aztec, blame lazy engineers throwing new bumpers and badges on chevys and trying to sell them as a different car.
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Sounds kind of like what Pontiac did when they brought back the GTO.
 
The new camaro is an ergonomics nightmare. Being in and out of different cars all day every day, im not quite sure what they were thinking when designing the new camaro. Example: im not super tall, 6', yet when sitting in a camaro I cant see the top of the tach or speedometer because the sun shade rings are weird and in the way. Lower my seat so I can see the gauges and the window line is at my shoulder and visibility goes from horrible to none. Nevermind the lightest GM seems to be able to make one is 3800 lbs. Thats not light. At all. And they sacrificed AC and a radio for that...
 
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