Should the Ebola infected Americans be allowed in US?

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Warborg said:
Where was the quarantine facility when he was outside walking up to the hospital? Anyone off the the street could have walked right up to him.
The link says it IS airborne. How did it get from the monkey to the pig that were in their own cages and never came in contact with each other?
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he was walking FROM ONE quarantine facility to another...he was literally SURROUNDED BY THEM
 
lp85253 said:
who said they weren't visible? JUST NOT on the tv account ... and why aren't they visible easily at a presidential function? so the bad guys don't have prior intelligence ... the homeland security dept .. the fbi .. they don't operate on the assumption they owe you an explanation about how they operate , but one thing that is for sure there was plenty of security.. do you really think that national security wasn't considered in the transportation? really? that is the fantasy...once again...give me one scenario where the cdc messed up on something like this that turned into a tragedy.. the reason you can't is ... the KNOW what they are doing ... yes there are risks but NEVER has there been a major outbreak based on a cdc screw up....everything else IS fantasy "hollywood" speculation....
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Without them being on the video, how are you so sure that they were there? Are you involved with the CDC and it's transport coordination efforts? I'm not exactly sure how you are so positive of something that isn't proven. How do you know there were guards?

There's nothing wrong with a little speculation in a generalized conversation. Belittling people just because you don't like it or agree with it is far beyond necessary. It would already be assumed that most of these people are not qualified to discuss unless they have stated otherwise. There isn't a need to be so aggressive about you perspective.
 
A little bit more from the 'as a trained professional' side... It's not a matter of coming 'home' in terms of seeing family. It's a matter of coming 'home' where the facilities are up to providing the support you need to attempt survival against the disease, without fear of your supplies getting looted or your caretakers murdered, or your room set on fire (with you in it) by paranoid mobs. They have an awareness of the risks, yes, but the fact of the matter is that they were motivated to help in those areas because the conditions are BAD in the first place, and are not going to magically improve simply because it happens to be a doctor that got sick. The field facilities are understaffed and undersupplied. Many of the local assistants are just simply not showing up, leaving the foreign volunteers to take on more work in stifling heat, which affects their judgment. There is nothing to keep those same local assistants from just not showing up at the hospitals either once patients arrive there. There have been some rumors that the gear is being reused in the field -- but even if that is the case, there is enough going around that there is a GOOD chance that they may have been exposed while even not working directly with patients (and thus not wearing the protective equipment). He had already turned down serum to give to the other sick volunteer. I certainly would be thinking 'my chances are better in Europe or in the States, and the risk of me getting /others/ sick is LOWER than if I stayed here'. Also, as a trained professional, he has a great advantage over the average patient -- the role of PATIENT COMPLIANCE and PATIENT AWARENESS when it comes to interacting with his caretakers. He is in a coherent enough state that he can help prevent exposure to his attending healthcare workers, and minimize his own spread.
 
heatherbeast said:
A little bit more from the 'as a trained professional' side... It's not a matter of coming 'home' in terms of seeing family. It's a matter of coming 'home' where the facilities are up to providing the support you need to attempt survival against the disease, without fear of your supplies getting looted or your caretakers murdered, or your room set on fire (with you in it) by paranoid mobs. They have an awareness of the risks, yes, but the fact of the matter is that they were motivated to help in those areas because the conditions are BAD in the first place, and are not going to magically improve simply because it happens to be a doctor that got sick. The field facilities are understaffed and undersupplied. Many of the local assistants are just simply not showing up, leaving the foreign volunteers to take on more work in stifling heat, which affects their judgment. There is nothing to keep those same local assistants from just not showing up at the hospitals either once patients arrive there. There have been some rumors that the gear is being reused in the field -- but even if that is the case, there is enough going around that there is a GOOD chance that they may have been exposed while even not working directly with patients (and thus not wearing the protective equipment). He had already turned down serum to give to the other sick volunteer. I certainly would be thinking 'my chances are better in Europe or in the States, and the risk of me getting /others/ sick is LOWER than if I stayed here'. Also, as a trained professional, he has a great advantage over the average patient -- the role of PATIENT COMPLIANCE and PATIENT AWARENESS when it comes to interacting with his caretakers. He is in a coherent enough state that he can help prevent exposure to his attending healthcare workers, and minimize his own spread.
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is the only option come home or stay where he got infected? i guess my question is could all of these things have been moved or set up in a Mobil quarantine zone elsewhere?

Like, me personally as an unqualified idiot, I would want care provided by the US but I wouldn't want to be in a major US city. Help me elsewhere.


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Well put, Heather.
 
Pharaoh said:
Without them being on the video, how are you so sure that they were there? Are you involved with the CDC and it's transport coordination efforts? I'm not exactly sure how you are so positive of something that isn't proven. How do you know there were guards?

There's nothing wrong with a little speculation in a generalized conversation. Belittling people just because you don't like it or agree with it is far beyond necessary. It would already be assumed that most of these people are not qualified to discuss unless they have stated otherwise. There isn't a need to be so aggressive about you perspective.
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like I said ..I am done here....speculation however is the first stage of paranoid reaction...enjoy your day............. edit..to answer your question ,,,any person with any common sense would KNOW that their were armed guards on duty (even if plain clothes)to deter idiots and crazies from doing something stupid..if you doubt it be my guest to research and post contrary EVIDENCE...
 
lp85253 said:
like I said ..I am done here....speculation however is the first stage of paranoid reaction...enjoy your day............. edit..to answer your question ,,,any person with any common sense would KNOW that their were armed guards on duty (even if plain clothes)to deter idiots and crazies from doing something stupid..if you doubt it be my guest to research and post contrary EVIDENCE...
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Why do I need to post evidence? I asked you where you got your information, so I would think you should be providing the evidence. You're the one making assumptions.


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