Female Festae with Red Tiger Motaguense?

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Also, is there going to be a SIGNIFICANT difference between keeping an aggressive cichlid such as an RTM in the 135 than keeping something like a Salvini? I have been reading on how aggressive the Salvini is (nips fins and tries to cripple others) with their small sharp mouths.

Other than the general temperament of the particular fish, is choosing an RTM going to be a HUGE risk for the safety of the Festae and Green Terror? Is tank setup going to play a large role in succeeding?

I would really like some further insight as the current opinions are differing. (of course, when it comes to aggressive cichlids, opinions will always differ!).
 
Difference between the two is size,ability to do damage and temperament. Parachromis will dominate a tank and take out competition or scare everything else into hiding. Mota can hit 12+ inches, salvini to my knowledge max out around, 7 inches. Parachromis overall don't play well with others in tanks under 180, I've learned this the hard way. Every parachromis I've seen in a smaller community has been small and not a full grown adult.

You can try but you are risking a stressed tank or dead fish. I personally don't risk that anymore after my male Managuense tried to and almost successfully eat my female demosey.try but you risk eventual death of your other fish. Not to mention festae don't play well either
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I keep both species and the mota is in my personal experience the most underrated parachromis in the aggression department. Our 8' female is pound for pound the most aggressive cichlid we keep and the list includes umbees, beani, trimacs and a herd of festae. Our avatar female festae tolerates very few other female cichlids even in our 300.

It could work for awhile, but once the festae hits 10" or so, things change very quickly. Same with the mota. Id say at some point, somebody will have to be moved in a 6' tank.
 
pckts said:
I highly doubt this, I have seen many Motoguense do fine in community settings same with Managuense.

It will depend on the individual fish, you have a decent chance since both aren't hyper aggressive by any means.
Give it a shot, but they will most likely end up breeding, so if you don't want hybrids, it may not be the best bet.
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pckts said:
I highly doubt this, I have seen many Motoguense do fine in community settings same with Managuense.

It will depend on the individual fish, you have a decent chance since both aren't hyper aggressive by any means.
Give it a shot, but they will most likely end up breeding, so if you don't want hybrids, it may not be the best bet.
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and you feel a 135 is and adequate sized "community" setting for these species at maturity?
 
Jc1119 said:
and you feel a 135 is and adequate sized "community" setting for these species at maturity?
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Can you create a situaion where you have them all getting along in that size tank happily? Sure you can. Adding 2 more fish would probably be best as 5 tends to balance out easier. Depends on the fishs personalities in there and the build.

Now the question of if a tank is adequate for them at maturity is a much greater question. The extreme answer would be no, a fish should not be kept in a tank where they ever come up against the glass. Do I personally believe that? No but its that path.

OP I think you can stick a few large aggressive fish in a 135 but realize it is a balancing act, kinda like playing the Sims.

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Tojo09 said:
Can you create a situaion where you have them all getting along in that size tank happily? Sure you can. Adding 2 more fish would probably be best as 5 tends to balance out easier. Depends on the fishs personalities in there and the build.

Now the question of if a tank is adequate for them at maturity is a much greater question. The extreme answer would be no, a fish should not be kept in a tank where they ever come up against the glass. Do I personally believe that? No but its that path.

OP I think you can stick a few large aggressive fish in a 135 but realize it is a balancing act, kinda like playing the Sims.

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This was my only point in my original response as I've had similar species (managuense, friedrichsthalii, Festae) coexist in 8' tanks for years, and then one day, they just didn't anymore....

I've found that as juvenile or even unpaired cichlids as in the case of the ops female Festae, things work well for awhile and then...... time to move somebody.

Always have a backup plan with larger cichlids as you'll never know. When I setup my 300, I started a thread which asked "which parachromis I should add to my tank" that included 5 other cichlids (including a Festae) and it got quite heated after Mo Devlin responded with a simple " none, you're already overstocked"

Years later, I found that Mo was right. All my parachromis are now in other tanks....


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Jc1119 said:
This was my only point in my original response as I've had similar species (managuense, friedrichsthalii, Festae) coexist in 8' tanks for years, and then one day, they just didn't anymore....

I've found that as juvenile or even unpaired cichlids as in the case of the ops female Festae, things work well for awhile and then...... time to move somebody.

Always have a backup plan with larger cichlids as you'll never know. When I setup my 300, I started a thread which asked "which parachromis I should add to my tank" that included 5 other cichlids (including a Festae) and it got quite heated after Mo Devlin responded with a simple " none, you're already overstocked"

Years later, I found that Mo was right. All my parachromis are now in other tanks....


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Long term compatibility is certainly the goal. I have numerous other Cichlids in the tank that I am already aware I will have to relocate due to foreseeable aggression. Having 3-4 Cichlids that can successfully coexist for the long haul is my target.

So if I could have something like: Female Festae, Male Green Terror, Female or Male Red Tiger Motaguense with say 3 Clown Loaches and a Red Tail Prochilodus, I would be very satisfied with this setup. (Especially for a 135).

If the RTM is not an option for this setup, perhaps a male Salvini would be more appropriate?

Anyone think this would work? Any other suggestions?
 
Salvini could work. I'd stay away from the bigger cichlids such as mota and other parachromis for that matter, the salvini is a far better option. I don't see a mota male or female living with a festae in a 135 lasting long term. It may last a while but eventually they will kill each other or the green terror


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The rtm may be an option, but you won't know till you try and have plan b in place.
I couldn't make our Festae co-habitate with a female Rivulatus (GT) in the 300 so you're already better off than I was in that regard.

Salvini and motas end up around the same adult size so it'll really depend on the individuals.


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