Why Do We Have To Kill Another To Live? Serious.

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Ever take a kitten or puppy away from their mother? Yet....you think animals don't notice the lack of presence of another? It's been proven that most animals don't have a complex range of emotions but that's like saying lets mistreat mentally ill or brain dead humans because they don't have the same array of emotions or awareness. Guess we can drug test on them now?



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Lets gets the PETA ideas out our heads those chickens don't suffer. Have any of you ever seen how those things lounge around eating and drinking all day. Sounds like most peoples dream life and they don't even need a job to live like kings. Others said it and will say it again don't think animals have human emotions. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with beating animals but Walt Disney is really warping our minds.
I'll quit now before I get carried away but I feel bad for people who think like Taker is right now.


yea they don't seem to be suffering at all. i'd love to lounge around like this all day with other humans while we all defecate all over each other and share diseases.


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Hello; Many years ago a story circulated about a teacher who took some students on a field trip. Do not know if it is true, but it went like this. Teacher takes Jr. high students on a field trip to a slaughter house. As to be expected they saw the areas where the animals were killed and processed in the initial stages of being made into hamburger or pork chops. Some actual killing of the animals was apparently seen.

Story continues with the teacher losing a job because the kids were traumatized. This was a cautionary tale aimed at warning us teachers about planning field trips. Field trips, while being a sound educational practice, are loaded with liability issues.

There will be at least two camps of reaction on this. Some will think think of how horrible it must have been for the kids and perhaps consider that the teacher was wrong to expose them to such a sight.

I am in the camp that thinks kids need to see where hamburgers come from. As a child of six or so my chore was to catch a couple of hens my family raised. I eventually added cutting their heads off as I got older. I would build a fire under a washtub of water and get it near a boil before catching a chicken. My mother would dip the fresh dead chickens in the hot water to help remove the feathers. (Quite a smell) Those hens made some of the best meals from my memory. I was also around when pigs were slaughtered, we never had cattle. I do think most people are too isolated from their food supply.

I do not like some of what I know of the industrial methods of raising food animals. However we have decided to have a world population of over seven billion people. I am not sure there is enough "free range" available to raise the chickens we now consume.
 
I bet it was mainly the parents that were upset more so than the kids being traumatized

If my daughter came home upset that she saw animals dying on a fieldtrip to the slaughter house, i'd tell her to get over it. it's what we do, we eat animals. i'd tell her if she wants she can stop eating chicken nuggets and hamburgers

i'm sure then she'd get over it

it upsets me how sensitive some people are to these things
 
The picture of the laying hen is true but do you see manure on the backs of those hens. The answer no the cages are made to keep the hens clean. Are they diseased no because sick birds would not lay eggs. Another truth those hens are not the ones you eat at KFC. Those hens are so tough the only way to eat them is to can them which a lot of people don't even know what canning is. If you would like to pay 12 dollars a dozen for eggs those hens could be raised in a far prettier environment.
As posted just before me here the kids were probably not upset until their parents got involved. If they were upset and traumatised you can blame a lot of that on lies shown in childrens movies. People do need to know the truth of where their food comes from and how it gets to our tables no it is not always pretty but it is life. Consider this 99.9 percent of wild animals die a violent death and there is nothing we can do about that.
A thread on here a while back had a report by some group compaining about our hobby. Think about it are we fair to our fish who normally live ina lake or stream to put them in a tank. Some will say no but how many of your captive fish die a violent death not many. They live in your tank with hardly a fear in the world. Farm animals are the same they really don't know fear they get food and shelter and a doctor when sick. Yes some people do abuse their animals and that is wrong. However it is far worse to punish the animal abuser more than the one who abuses people. The truth is taker where ever there is life there will be death and there is nothing we can do about it. The death as you mentioned though does give life to another so that can bring you joy.
 
those chickens started out looking like this.........


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Couldn't they just measure the stress levels of the chickens by cortisol levels to see of the chickens are happy or stessed. Not that the factory cares but just saying that's a good way to test it instead of just looking at pictures which we as humans man interpret differently from our point of view.

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I have to agree with Tank Dempsey if we went back and lived like the Native Americans we could weed out a lot of the do gooders out there. Yes being raised for food is tough to wrap our minds around and we as humans would be freaked out if it were us. How ever do you really think the pigs,chickens and cattle even know where the others go when they leave the farm. The animals have to be well cared for or just like our fish they would not grow produce offspring or what ever they are raised for.
As far as Disney being ok who ever believes lions and warthogs are best buds in nature is doing worse than smoking something. My family has witnessed how the groups like PETA distort peoples minds and it is starting to appear as though reality no longer exists. As humans we just can't help but try and put our emotions into what we imagine animals must feel or think.

False, the majority of slaughter houses line the cows up single file and slaughter them one by one in front of each other. The cows see this happening in front of them and hear the shrieks of the dying cows and become agitated and refuse to continue walking. The staff uses cattle prods to shock them and force them to continue walking to slaughter.

Your claim about chickens living like kings also false. Their beaks are cut/melted off with red hot metal clips. This is because they are packed so tightly in living quarters that they become stressed and rip one another's and their own feathers out which leads to infections. They're fed a constant supply of antibiotics to help combat this also.

They're fed on most farms exclusively corn and often animal byproducts so they're micro nutrient deficient but pack on the bulk you mistake for health. Their immune function is poor because of this so they have to use constant antibiotics as a prophylactic which we consume and is contributing to antibiotic resistant diseases such as MRSA. In the US their meat is treated with arsenic to extend shelf life and texture. Which also ends up in our bodies.
 
False, the majority of slaughter houses line the cows up single file and slaughter them one by one in front of each other. The cows see this happening in front of them and hear the shrieks of the dying cows and become agitated and refuse to continue walking. The staff uses cattle prods to shock them and force them to continue walking to slaughter.

Your claim about chickens living like kings also false. Their beaks are cut/melted off with red hot metal clips. This is because they are packed so tightly in living quarters that they become stressed and rip one another's and their own feathers out which leads to infections. They're fed a constant supply of antibiotics to help combat this also.

They're fed on most farms exclusively corn and often animal byproducts so they're micro nutrient deficient but pack on the bulk you mistake for health. Their immune function is poor because of this so they have to use constant antibiotics as a prophylactic which we consume and is contributing to antibiotic resistant diseases such as MRSA. In the US their meat is treated with arsenic to extend shelf life and texture. Which also ends up in our bodies.

Hey bro, we don't need your Disney and PETA lies. How dare you smack us with a dose of reality.


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Dairy cows are pumped full of posilac (bovine growth hormone) and trenbolone (testosterone alteration steroid) to increase their production by 5-10 times. We ingest this posilac and trenbolone in milk, butter, yogurt, cheeses and meat consumption. Posilac mimics human growth hormone in our bodies. Trenbolone is a favorite steroid among bodybuilders for its anabolic and androgenic properties. Little girls are getting their periods younger and younger now as a result. Cancer rates in humans are steadily climbing and studies suggest this is a factor. Growth hormones break down into IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) which contributes to accelerated tumor growths for those who already have malignancies.

The cows are milked by electronic machines which are incredibly rough on their utters. This paired with the increased milk production makes them get puss filled sores and blisters in their tits. The puss and infection drips into the milk we drink. The industry claims it's too "expensive" to use bagbalm on the utters or give the cows breaks from milking to help reduce this. This is a primary reason why it is mandatory to pasturize milk. Raw milk is illegal in the US. The pasturization process alters the nutrients in the milk so they aren't bio available to nearly the extend of raw milk. Because of the corn exclusive diet the milk is already nutrient deprived so this further diminishes the nutritional content. On top of this this they are pumped full of antibiotics for the sores 247, so we ingest those too.

Wild bill I had views very similar to yours. Then I went to college for 8 years and was forced to research these topics extensively. Luckily I'm not the type to cherish my beliefs. so when I was presented with data and evidence that contradicted my beliefs, I was able to make the appropriate response and change without guilt or internal turmoil.
 
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