Why Do We Have To Kill Another To Live? Serious.

[SumoNinja]

 

[ballinouttacntrol]

This thread is now diamonds. I'm still laughing at animals don't suffer


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[wild bill]

I know some of us have grown up on a farm and burchered a cow. Cows do not shriek when they are shot they fall straight to the ground with no noise being made. If there are other cattle there they they sniff it and will get to pushing it around. Why they do this I son't know but if it were fear they would run away.
I personally don't believe many of you have ever been in a chicken barn slaughter house or hog operation to know what goes on. The views you have are made up of images off the internet and animal rights propaganda. Chickens beak are clipped because chickens are miserable. If one chicken has something odd on it the others will peck it to death. They lose feathers because the barns are warm and those hens do not need a lot of feathers. Another fact is that when a lot of the poor hens are taken the birds are begining to molt. As I have said already our human minds can easily be pesuaded to believe what ever is wrote under a picture it make groups like PETA millions of dollars every year.
I have said it before and will say it again I don't agree with abusing animals but raising an animal for food is not abuse. Try and be thankful these animals lose there lives so we can live. There is no way we can eat meat or vegetables with out something dying. It has been said the only food we can eat without something being hurt is honey and we can not live on honey alone.
I did not want this go off in this direction and I don't think Taker did either. He is right when we think about it yes something must die for something else to live. This is a harsh reality and it sucks but that is the way life works.

 

[SumoNinja]

I know some of us have grown up on a farm and burchered a cow. Cows do not shriek when they are shot they fall straight to the ground with no noise being made. If there are other cattle there they they sniff it and will get to pushing it around. Why they do this I son't know but if it were fear they would run away.
I personally don't believe many of you have ever been in a chicken barn slaughter house or hog operation to know what goes on. The views you have are made up of images off the internet and animal rights propaganda. Chickens beak are clipped because chickens are miserable. If one chicken has something odd on it the others will peck it to death. They lose feathers because the barns are warm and those hens do not need a lot of feathers. Another fact is that when a lot of the poor hens are taken the birds are begining to molt. As I have said already our human minds can easily be pesuaded to believe what ever is wrote under a picture it make groups like PETA millions of dollars every year.
I have said it before and will say it again I don't agree with abusing animals but raising an animal for food is not abuse. Try and be thankful these animals lose there lives so we can live. There is no way we can eat meat or vegetables with out something dying. It has been said the only food we can eat without something being hurt is honey and we can not live on honey alone.
I did not want this go off in this direction and I don't think Taker did either. He is right when we think about it yes something must die for something else to live. This is a harsh reality and it sucks but that is the way life works.

darius or akuma? is that you bro??

i'm really starting to wonder now

some of your comments are hilarious. chickens lose feathers because it's warm? they get their beaks cut because they are miserable? they are crammed together so everyone's pissed off. they start pecking at each other and when one is weak it gets ganged up on and the rest peck the feathers off it's back and opens up wounds. you're right though, they are miserable

I've been to slaughter houses several times. I've seen goats rounded into a pen and shot with a 22 rifle one by one while they're all freaking out. also seen cattle lined up to be shot. one cow managed to almost turn around and it got stuck trying to turn around and it just layed their screaming. other cows heard it in distress and walked over from the outside to investigate. and these are not big slaughter places. I'm sure the huge places are worst

 

[Dieselhybrid]

Chickens beak are clipped because chickens are miserable.

Didn't you just say they live like kings a few posts back This kind of self contradiction destroys your credibility. After flip flopping like this, no one is going to believe anything you say.

 

[Thekid]

False, the majority of slaughter houses line the cows up single file and slaughter them one by one in front of each other. The cows see this happening in front of them and hear the shrieks of the dying cows and become agitated and refuse to continue walking. The staff uses cattle prods to shock them and force them to continue walking to slaughter.

Your claim about chickens living like kings also false. Their beaks are cut/melted off with red hot metal clips. This is because they are packed so tightly in living quarters that they become stressed and rip one another's and their own feathers out which leads to infections. They're fed a constant supply of antibiotics to help combat this also.

They're fed on most farms exclusively corn and often animal byproducts so they're micro nutrient deficient but pack on the bulk you mistake for health. Their immune function is poor because of this so they have to use constant antibiotics as a prophylactic which we consume and is contributing to antibiotic resistant diseases such as MRSA. In the US their meat is treated with arsenic to extend shelf life and texture. Which also ends up in our bodies.

Cows and pigs are lined up in the chute system the end of the chute either has a person working a stun panel system or a bolt gun. The animals are then hung upside down using a chain/pulley system where they are finished off by bleeding out.

I want to see you use positive coaxing on a angry pissed off cow feet from death.

Dairy cows are pumped full of posilac (bovine growth hormone) and trenbolone (testosterone alteration steroid) to increase their production by 5-10 times. We ingest this posilac and trenbolone in milk, butter, yogurt, cheeses and meat consumption. Posilac mimics human growth hormone in our bodies. Trenbolone is a favorite steroid among bodybuilders for its anabolic and androgenic properties. Little girls are getting their periods younger and younger now as a result. Cancer rates in humans are steadily climbing and studies suggest this is a factor. Growth hormones break down into IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) which contributes to accelerated tumor growths for those who already have malignancies.

The cows are milked by electronic machines which are incredibly rough on their utters. This paired with the increased milk production makes them get puss filled sores and blisters in their tits. The puss and infection drips into the milk we drink. The industry claims it's too "expensive" to use bagbalm on the utters or give the cows breaks from milking to help reduce this. This is a primary reason why it is mandatory to pasturize milk. Raw milk is illegal in the US. The pasturization process alters the nutrients in the milk so they aren't bio available to nearly the extend of raw milk. Because of the corn exclusive diet the milk is already nutrient deprived so this further diminishes the nutritional content. On top of this this they are pumped full of antibiotics for the sores 247, so we ingest those too.

Wild bill I had views very similar to yours. Then I went to college for 8 years and was forced to research these topics extensively. Luckily I'm not the type to cherish my beliefs. so when I was presented with data and evidence that contradicted my beliefs, I was able to make the appropriate response and change without guilt or internal turmoil.

Have you ever worked on a farm?
Watching the demonstration at the petting zoo doesn't count.

Do you know how long it takes to put bagbalm on 3,000 cows?

I've spent time on a dairy farm doing the basic chores of feeding calves and checking the piglets when I was younger.

What you said was probably true for factory farms however not family farms. Each cow had a name had a regular vet check. I guarantee we tried our hardest to give the animas the best life possible.

Peace✌️✌️✌️


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[convict360]

I would be vegetarian if the options available were nutritionally on par with meat.

As it stands, its not; therefore I eat animals. I don't agree with the slaughter etc (hypocrisy right? Yup) but nature designed us to eat meat, and I don't have time to kill my own animals.

And that's really it, create synthetic meat with a complete amino acid profile; and not that quorn and I'll eat it instead.

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[Dieselhybrid]

I would be vegetarian if the options available were nutritionally on par with meat.

As it stands, its not; therefore I eat animals. I don't agree with the slaughter etc (hypocrisy right? Yup) but nature designed us to eat meat, and I don't have time to kill my own animals.

And that's really it, create synthetic meat with a complete amino acid profile; and not that quorn and I'll eat it instead.

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This is a common misconception that I used to share. You just have to learn to eat a complete vegetarian diet which is totally alien at first. I played NCAA sports on a nearly vegetarian diet. Still ate eggs and a weekly cheat meal which was usually meat. 6'2" 235 lbs 6% BF at competition.

 

[convict360]

This is a common misconception that I used to share. You just have to learn to eat a complete vegetarian diet which is totally alien at first. I played NCAA sports on a nearly vegetarian diet. Still ate eggs and a weekly cheat meal which was usually meat. 6'2" 235 lbs 6% BF at competition.

Why don't you clear this up for all of us then and detail how one should go about this

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[Dieselhybrid]

Cows and pigs are lined up in the chute system the end of the chute either has a person working a stun panel system or a bolt gun. The animals are then hung upside down using a chain/pulley system where they are finished off by bleeding out.

I want to see you use positive coaxing on a angry pissed off cow feet from death.



Have you ever worked on a farm?
Watching the demonstration at the petting zoo doesn't count.

Do you know how long it takes to put bagbalm on 3,000 cows?

I've spent time on a dairy farm doing the basic chores of feeding calves and checking the piglets when I was younger.

What you said was probably true for factory farms however not family farms. Each cow had a name had a regular vet check. I guarantee we tried our hardest to give the animas the best life possible.

Peace✌️✌️✌️


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Yes Kid, I certainly have. my aunt had one similar to yours in Minnesota that i spent summers on growing up. I respect these farms. A lot of our food comes from industrialized factory farms that bear little resemblance in that respect.