Why Do We Have To Kill Another To Live? Serious.

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It appears as though your memory is as bad as mine I explained in detail how they don't. Now I will admit I am wrong if you call having food shelter warmth and friends suffering. All of this without a care in the world. You are starting to remind me of the animal rights woman who told me that animals dying a violent death have a choice.
I am sorry Dieselhybrid I misread your post your diet must be working as you seem very healthy. As a diabetic I too need to follow a balanced diet and have had to do so for 40 years.
The softer we get to the ideas of PETA the closer we get to losing our great hobby. These groups see no reason for people to own living things and believe all living things are equal. If we look into this deep enough our dogs and cats will be first to go with their spay and neuter campaigns. In fact PETA has gone as far as to say all domestic animals should be extinct.
Now it would be nice if all of our food could be free range but that is not possible in all countries. It would not be fair to say only those in warm climates can enjoy fresh reasonably priced food. As a Canadian we already get murdered on the price of our produce due to shipping and exchange. Also who would set guide lines on how much space would be enough for the live stock. Probably one of rhe biggest problems in the world today is the waste of food not how much is grown or slaughtered.
I have personally seen how much food is wasted from food banks just in dry cereals alone. Why was it tossed out because its best before date was past. We have eaten this cereal and there is nothing wrong with it but pallets of were tossed out. Take a look sometimes what you throw out instead of having left overs. So in that sense it is sad to see so many animals slaughtered to be thrown in the garbage and wasted.
 
wild bill said:
It appears as though your memory is as bad as mine I explained in detail how they don't. Now I will admit I am wrong if you call having food shelter warmth and friends suffering. All of this without a care in the world. You are starting to remind me of the animal rights woman who told me that animals dying a violent death have a choice.
I am sorry Dieselhybrid I misread your post your diet must be working as you seem very healthy. As a diabetic I too need to follow a balanced diet and have had to do so for 40 years.
The softer we get to the ideas of PETA the closer we get to losing our great hobby. These groups see no reason for people to own living things and believe all living things are equal. If we look into this deep enough our dogs and cats will be first to go with their spay and neuter campaigns. In fact PETA has gone as far as to say all domestic animals should be extinct.
Now it would be nice if all of our food could be free range but that is not possible in all countries. It would not be fair to say only those in warm climates can enjoy fresh reasonably priced food. As a Canadian we already get murdered on the price of our produce due to shipping and exchange. Also who would set guide lines on how much space would be enough for the live stock. Probably one of rhe biggest problems in the world today is the waste of food not how much is grown or slaughtered.
I have personally seen how much food is wasted from food banks just in dry cereals alone. Why was it tossed out because its best before date was past. We have eaten this cereal and there is nothing wrong with it but pallets of were tossed out. Take a look sometimes what you throw out instead of having left overs. So in that sense it is sad to see so many animals slaughtered to be thrown in the garbage and wasted.
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Yes waste. I agree with this entirely. I forget the figure I read but it was shocking the percentage of food goes to waste. Not even to animals after being determined unfit for humans. To trash and decay.

In Seattle, near where I spend a lot if my time, they just implemented a law where you get fined for throwing food away in your trash and not composting it. This means the city has auditors and trash collectors checking people's trash to enforce this. I love that they are making people accountable, but at the same time disturbed by having trash monitored...

i notice you mention PETA frequently. I have no affiliation with PETA, not interested in them at all. I just like data and information.
 
Lets look at this in another way something has to die for something to live we all agree. Now all of us guys take and think about the Praying Mantis and the Black Widow spider I bet all of us wince when we think of what happens when they mate. Sounds super cruel almost brings a tear to your eyes yet no one is screaming put an end to this torture. Look at it from the women's side and a lot of them cheer while we shudder. In the end though it is so the species will survive. If we want to look at pain take a look at child birth this is no walk in the park but still a fact of life. Now just think our mothers went through this so we could be and a lot of mom's do it several times. What may seem cruel is what somehow keeps us alive.
If you want to feel better maybe think that not many of the domestic animals we eat are natural any way. They are all line bred creatures man created to full fill his needs and many would never survive in the wild any way. They are getting so genetically weak they have lost all natural strength and ability the breeds once had. Why does this have to happen because as human's we believe we can improve on everything. Is it wrong? Who knows we now get more eggs per bird meat per animal and grain per acre and as a race we continue to thrive some how.
 
I will use your name when I adress you from now on ehh or will you then mock me being Canadian EH.
 
FMA4ME said:
Welcome to the Lounge Taker! :D
Man! You sure have a lot on your mind, I like the Jerry Lawler commentary, except when I read it, I heard Jim Ross' voice lol. I wish you didn't live soo far away, I'd totally try to help you out by trading you a big bag of plecos for your snakeheads! :D And so you didn't have to feed them live algae,
I'd even bring you some algae waffers! Dang it!! :/
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I knew I got something wrong. Lol yes it is Jim Ross I meant. I wonder how I could get that wrong. Lol welcome the plecos.

Now..wow at this thread. I think this problem will never be solved until humanity dies off or we come to the level of being able to scientifically produce food that is perfectly packed with all the nutrients our bodies need. And we would take the next level of evolution and history lessons would include 'when humans ate animals'. And animals would be the only class to kill something to survive.

But when a human gets lost in the wild, nature exposes him once again. Or he dies unfit to kill or be killed.
 
Hello; Picking up on a question from a few posts back. This is from memory and probably should be verified and updated. The question was generally about how much plant material it takes to produce a pound of meat. In a very general way I thinks it breaks down like this. For beef I recall it being around ten pounds of feed to get one pound of meat; for pork around six pounds of feed to get a pound and for chicken about two and a half pounds to yield a pound of meat.

Lots of factors have to be taken into account. To get the maximum yield the animals have to be slaughtered as soon as they reach a target weight. If you keep them around after they get to a particular age the energy goes into keeping them alive and less into producing meat. For milkers or egg producers they can be kept around longer as you are looking to get a product other than meat.

The type and quality of the food also matters. It may well be that lot fed animals get a mix of food better than free range in terms of putting on meat. For example if all beef was range fed, there will be a wide range of the number of acres required to raise a single cow in different parts of the world. In some places many more acres than in others.
I used to push for grazing animals on land that is unsituable for row crop cultivation. Leaving the land better suited for row crops and in this way more food to feed people. This will give us a better chance of feeding the hungry people as human population continues to grow. I suspect economics will push things in this direction as it is now much more expensive to put meat on a table.
The question of continuing to increase the human population needs to be addressed as I do not feel such growth is sustainable.

( An additional side note with regard to the push for corn based ethanol as a supplement in gasoline a few years back. Corn into gas tanks increased world hunger and increased grain prices as best I recall.)

These recollections are from a decade or more back. It may well be than the effeciency in meat production is much improved. I will be a bit suprised if this is not so. As ugly as industrial animal processing may appear, my guess is that it must be more effecient at producing table meat that more traditional methods.

To me the unintended side effects are at least as worrisome as the cruielty aspect. Things like the massive use of antibiotics in feed lots in particular. This is adding to the antibiotic resistant bacteria problem. Another is the use of hormones that promote growth. Runnoff from the feed lots and crop fields into the local waters and eventually into the basins such as the Gulf Of Mexico creating dead zones.
 
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