Why Do We Have To Kill Another To Live? Serious.

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These recollections are from a decade or more back. It may well be than the effeciency in meat production is much improved. I will be a bit suprised if this is not so. As ugly as industrial animal processing may appear, my guess is that it must be more effecient at producing table meat that more traditional methods...
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In the book super freakonomics, they examine another food based study which supported this. They found that large super farms are more efficient at feed to meat conversion. They also determined that the majority of CO2 emissions in the food supply chain come from production not transportation. Transportation accounts for around 8% of these emissions. They concluded, based on co2 emissions, large super farms that ship long distances produced less co2 waste than smaller local farms that transported shorter distances. This didn't take into account the quality of meat, animal treatment or methane production. With regards to CO2 and feed conversion, you're right. Large industrialized farms are more efficient.
 
This is true but at the same time has led to more people in the cities far removed from where our food comes from. A few years ago there was an article about cows and milk. They interviewed this who stated we don't need farms we can get our milk at Safeway. A frying chicken that we either fry or roast is shipped for slaughter in 6 weeks. At that age I think the bird weighs about 7 or 8 pounds. Laying hens are I believe only kept for one year. At that one year mark is when these pictures are taken of the featherless suffering birds. Here is the truth those hens are naked because they are moulting. The farmers get rid of these hens because they will likely not lay as good after they moult and there would about a month at least of no production. These hens used to be shipped for human canned foods but now are usually just gassed and thrown in piles to compost or burnt. This is a huge waste of food when so many people are starving around the world. Dairy cows and beef cows probably have the longest lives of most farm animals. The beef cow probably the longest as all she has to be able to do is produce a healthy calf without needing a lot of help. Even then the cattle still have an end use as they can be used for burger and weiners and products like that.
However now a days the animal rights groups are getting involved and causing a huge increase in production costs. This is most notable now in the poultry and hog industry. These farmers are now have to either build new largerbarns or totally revamp current ones. Consumers then turn around and believe the cost of their product should not go up. Wheat farmers in Canada are only getting about 2 dollars a bushel more for their wheat than they were in 1930. Funny inflation hasn't kept up here.
Dieselhybrid you asked why I continually mention PETA I just use them as an example of all animal rights groups.
 
People who feed their fish to their other fish need to sit down with an animal husbandry expert and have a long, long talk on cross-contamination and transmission of parasites and pathogens.
 
wild bill said:
I have to agree with Tank Dempsey if we went back and lived like the Native Americans we could weed out a lot of the do gooders out there. Yes being raised for food is tough to wrap our minds around and we as humans would be freaked out if it were us. How ever do you really think the pigs,chickens and cattle even know where the others go when they leave the farm. The animals have to be well cared for or just like our fish they would not grow produce offspring or what ever they are raised for.
As far as Disney being ok who ever believes lions and warthogs are best buds in nature is doing worse than smoking something. My family has witnessed how the groups like PETA distort peoples minds and it is starting to appear as though reality no longer exists. As humans we just can't help but try and put our emotions into what we imagine animals must feel or think.
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^^^^^ Agreed 100%
 
maybe it's just me but it's kinda hard to take a discussion serious when someone uses Disney movies to support their stance

it distracts and throws me off, lol
 
Dieselhybrid said:
In the book super freakonomics, they examine another food based study which supported this. They found that large super farms are more efficient at feed to meat conversion. They also determined that the majority of CO2 emissions in the food supply chain come from production not transportation. Transportation accounts for around 8% of these emissions. They concluded, based on co2 emissions, large super farms that ship long distances produced less co2 waste than smaller local farms that transported shorter distances. This didn't take into account the quality of meat, animal treatment or methane production. With regards to CO2 and feed conversion, you're right. Large industrialized farms are more efficient.
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Hello; I agree that things like quality may (and likely will) suffer along with other other such side effects of industrial meat production.

On to an example in the produce side of food production. I recall many decades past that spring strawberries were delicious. Now I find them all year around in the supermarkets. I also find them to be relatively tastless for the most part. To the point I seldom buy them any more. Perhaps if I had never had those in the distant past. Out of a container of strawberries now, only a few have anything near the flavor i recall.

There use to be local places where a farmer would dedicate a section of land to strawberries. We could pay a fee and pick them fresh for a short time in the spring. A few years ago a neighbor made a small strawberry bed, about three feet by 20 feet, I only got a few berries, but they were great.

Not sure if it is a practice but I heard a while back that a spray had been developed for fruit trees. The story went that they would spray the stuff on the trees a few days before harvest. This was to prevent some of the transpiration thru the leaves thus forcing the plant to push more water into the fruit. Not supposed to be harmful except we wind up paying for the extra water in the apples at the price of apples per pound.
 
That could be true about the spray. Also heard that much of the fruit is picked green and is supposed to ripen by the time it reaches stores. If you want a real scare my dad read that in July 2016 little boar pigs will have to be sedated before castration.
I was telling some Hutterites this and he no thats not true. He says they now have an injection you will give the little boars that will just dissolve their testicles. Now I don't know about others but I think this has gone way to far. They claim there will be no residule drug left in the meat. Just like the growth hormones I assume. Maybe this will be their way of stopping over population.
 
Pesticides are another issue. They are entirely necessary especially in monoculture farms, but most of the ones currently being used are toxic in large amounts and over time. I read an article recently that had an interesting claim. It explained how many pesticides are systemic, both in plants and in mammalian bodies. Because food animals eat feeds that contain pesticides, they build up in their tissues. They claimed that some meat samples they examined had more pesticides per serving than vegetables. Some samples had several times more per serving
 
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