New wild axanthic??? Silver arowana from wes rare fish

[koltsixx]

Yes I has an albino silver now.
3 feet in length actually. I used to collect them but not now coz they are so readily available. I have never pay attention to black aro .. Reason being coz they are cheap. Its like I don't pay attention to the feeder fishes that I feed my aros.

Back to your question. Snow and platinum... Adjectives used on aro nowadays.platinum is a type of metal. It has metallic shine. Snow is like white chalk.. The color is matt and not shiny. Does Vincent fish has a metallic shine? You go see yourself and advise me. So if his is not snow. .. Then is it a platinum..? To be honest.. No also.
Most likely a common albino silver with black eyes.

No snow and platinum are adjectives used to represent genetic abnormalities. They are used because those names are marketable. The difference isn't about looks alone otherwise if I used a procedure to strip the color off an Aro I could call it a platinum or snow depending on whether it retained it's metallic shine or not. The fact that you ignore the genetics of the fish shows how little you actually know about them. It is there genetics not just a fishes color that makes them rare.

I've said it before if xanthics are so common place why can't you find plenty of pictures to back that claim. Would you like to go picture for picture we'll look for snow and platinum aro's and you look for xanthics.

I also ask again if you have no ulterior motives why are you posting over and over again in just this thread when you've already made an assertion but offer no proof in the subsequent posts? What's the point?

 

[jlnguyen74]

For this low cost fish reason I will not add to my collection...

Yes I has an albino silver now.
3 feet in length actually. I used to collect them but not now coz they are so readily available. I have never pay attention to black aro .. Reason being coz they are cheap. Its like I don't pay attention to the feeder fishes that I feed my aros.

Back to your question. Snow and platinum... Adjectives used on aro nowadays.platinum is a type of metal. It has metallic shine. Snow is like white chalk.. The color is matt and not shiny. Does Vincent fish has a metallic shine? You go see yourself and advise me. So if his is not snow. .. Then is it a platinum..? To be honest.. No also.
Most likely a common albino silver with black eyes.

So, from a guy who only collect snow and platinum to a guy who has an albino silver now. Wow! Did you just run to the supermarket next door and bought that albino in a hurry? Are you going to use that 3 feet in length, common, cheap albino silver that you've never paid attention to as feeder fish and feed it to your aros?
Platinum is a type of metal. Do you know that silver is also a type of metal? Snow is like white chalk eh? Should we call snow aro as chalk aro? If Vince aro is not a snow, then it's also not a platinum, and it must be a common albino silver, correct? Geez! Why don't you google up leucistic and snow (I would suggest ball python morph) and educate yourself first. Better, why don't you take time and read the post from koltsix, and not jumping to the conclusion of name calling. Just read it slowly. You'll learn a thing or two from it.

 

[KELVINFONG]

Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

So, from a guy who only collect snow and platinum to a guy who has an albino silver now. Wow! Did you just run to the supermarket next door and bought that albino in a hurry? Are you going to use that 3 feet in length, common, cheap albino silver that you've never paid attention to as feeder fish and feed it to your aros?
Platinum is a type of metal. Do you know that silver is also a type of metal? Snow is like white chalk eh? Should we call snow aro as chalk aro? If Vince aro is not a snow, then it's also not a platinum, and it must be a common albino silver, correct? Geez! Why don't you google up leucistic and snow (I would suggest ball python morph) and educate yourself first. Better, why don't you take time and read the post from koltsix, and not jumping to the conclusion of name calling. Just read it slowly. You'll learn a thing or two from it.

yes i am learning everyday. I know the diffrence between a silver and black aro from bros here right? Yesterday i learnt how to extract ice cubes from ice cubes plastic holder from a 80 years old pantry lady. You see you have to twist it... Bending it won't do the job. Take every comments positively.. Always remember not to be judgemental.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Yesterday i learnt how to extract ice cubes from ice cubes plastic holder from a 80 years old pantry lady. You see you have to twist it... Bending it won't do the job. Take every comments positively.. Always remember not to be judgemental.

"You're killing me, Larry!" I won't be able to get the image out of my mind of you and an 80 years old lady and all those twist and bending... It's quite disturbing! Lol

 

[fugupuff]

ok, I'm going to say something quick:

Brofong., here is the deal. Its the way you come here to say that these Xanthic silvers are cheap, easily bred, and not worth keeping that offends people.

The truth that hurts, is that you can't find too many pictures, if any xanthich silver arowanas online, period. If its so common you should be able to find one right away? Or its because, maybe you have lots of money, and can afford all kinds of snow and platinum, but your local stores cannot get this "xanthic" wild silver?

and the so cheap panda RTG that you say is so common, how much are they going for now ?

 

[KELVINFONG]

Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

So, from a guy who only collect snow and platinum to a guy who has an albino silver now. Wow! Did you just run to the supermarket next door and bought that albino in a hurry? Are you going to use that 3 feet in length, common, cheap albino silver that you've never paid attention to as feeder fish and feed it to your aros?
Platinum is a type of metal. Do you know that silver is also a type of metal? Snow is like white chalk eh? Should we call snow aro as chalk aro? If Vince aro is not a snow, then it's also not a platinum, and it must be a common albino silver, correct? Geez! Why don't you google up leucistic and snow (I would suggest ball python morph) and educate yourself first. Better, why don't you take time and read the post from koltsix, and not jumping to the conclusion of name calling. Just read it slowly. You'll learn a thing or two from it.

ok, I'm going to say something quick:

Brofong., here is the deal. Its the way you come here to say that these Xanthic silvers are cheap, easily bred, and not worth keeping that offends people.

The truth that hurts, is that you can't find too many pictures, if any xanthich silver arowanas online, period. If its so common you should be able to find one right away? Or its because, maybe you have lots of money, and can afford all kinds of snow and platinum, but your local stores cannot get this "xanthic" wild silver?

and the so cheap panda RTG that you say is so common, how much are they going for now ?

Bro.. To be honest.. When I posted my comments I do not know who is the seller or who is the owner of the fish. I comments are directed at the fish as it presents itself.
The thing started because people think axanthic silver did not exist earlier. However I recalled I saw a few of them in the now closed down DJ aquarium in Singapore. and the comments started saying I am giving empty remarks. The truth Is proven. Picture and video of axanthic was presented by a bro here. Must thank him for that else people will assume I am bull****ting them.

The reason why axanthic rtg no longer available is because the demand was less than supply. The panda rtg was sold slightly higher than a normal rtg. In land scared Singapore.. It will be more value added to breed cross backs or Red.

Please understand this is purely directed at the fish.

 

[Zeke]

That was a very enlightening post Kolt. I learned much from it and Bro Wes' post much earlier in the thread. Also, in the sun or under any light "snow" reflects and shows the light off that it received. Also, don't eat yellow snow. It's not lemon flavored. Thank you.

 

[fugupuff]

Yes, just at the fish. I'm honestly not offended at all. But the truth is besides the video posted which shares a tank with large platinum alligator gar, that fish is in Japan, and those fish sold for nearly 100,000 usd if I remember correctly.

Yes, you recall seeing them in the past, but not after, and not now, that means its not common. I never said its a new fish, its new in the US hobby, its new to me. Google up snow arowana, or platinum arowana, you could probably find hundreds of pictures, and then google up for xanthic silvers you get the point.

Bro.. To be honest.. When I posted my comments I do not know who is the seller or who is the owner of the fish. I comments are directed at the fish as it presents itself.
The thing started because people think axanthic silver did not exist earlier. However I recalled I saw a few of them in the now closed down DJ aquarium in Singapore. and the comments started saying I am giving empty remarks. The truth Is proven. Picture and video of axanthic was presented by a bro here. Must thank him for that else people will assume I am bull****ting them.

The reason why axanthic rtg no longer available is because the demand was less than supply. The panda rtg was sold slightly higher than a normal rtg. In land scared Singapore.. It will be more value added to breed cross backs or Red.

Please understand this is purely directed at the fish.

 

[koltsixx]

So, from a guy who only collect snow and platinum to a guy who has an albino silver now. Wow! Did you just run to the supermarket next door and bought that albino in a hurry? Are you going to use that 3 feet in length, common, cheap albino silver that you've never paid attention to as feeder fish and feed it to your aros?
Platinum is a type of metal. Do you know that silver is also a type of metal? Snow is like white chalk eh? Should we call snow aro as chalk aro? If Vince aro is not a snow, then it's also not a platinum, and it must be a common albino silver, correct? Geez! Why don't you google up leucistic and snow (I would suggest ball python morph) and educate yourself first. Better, why don't you take time and read the post from koltsix, and not jumping to the conclusion of name calling. Just read it slowly. You'll learn a thing or two from it.

That was a very enlightening post Kolt. I learned much from it and Bro Wes' post much earlier in the thread. Also, in the sun or under any light "snow" reflects and shows the light off that it received. Also, don't eat yellow snow. It's not lemon flavored. Thank you.

Thanks Zeke and jlnguyen74, I was hoping it would help clear up the genetic differences between platinum and snows. I just wish KEVINFONG would've taken the time to read it better.

Yes, just at the fish. I'm honestly not offended at all. But the truth is besides the video posted which shares a tank with large platinum alligator gar, that fish is in Japan, and those fish sold for nearly 100,000 usd if I remember correctly.

Yes, you recall seeing them in the past, but not after, and not now, that means its not common. I never said its a new fish, its new in the US hobby, its new to me. Google up snow arowana, or platinum arowana, you could probably find hundreds of pictures, and then google up for xanthic silvers you get the point.

Wes you've been nothing but patient just to let you know fyi the video KEVINFONG is referencing says it's a platinum and albino tank so it's not a xanthic as he's claiming. I suggested it might be an albino in an earlier post and even stated why it might be yellowish then bothered to translate the video title to see if the fish where mentioned and they where. So currently other then the fish 1hottuna and vince put up there is not one single xanthic Aro posted here. That is unless the guy who bought the fish or recorded and posted the video is just another one of the many people whose wrong in this thread.

 

[KELVINFONG]

Bro koltsixx,

See the fishes as they present themselves. it said platinum and albino tank means it has to be one? . If it Is indeed albino and platinum.. Why is the 2 sea bass doing there? Don't tell me they are feeders for the aro.