New wild axanthic??? Silver arowana from wes rare fish

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Because I used to visit a farm every week and that farm poduced lots of a axanthic. I saw them from nusery stage to adult stage. As I said they can be replicated. Unlike snow or platinum aro. Nowadays when I walk pass an a axanthic aro I wont even turn back to take a second look. Maybe in USA you guys never seen one before. i gain nothing besides sharing my opinion about this fish.
I already said I have seen axanthic silver in Singapore before and I saw a few of them. But you guys claimed I was talking empty without proof. Many said this is a new strain.. First in the world kind.. But the fact is out. Some bro produced some photo of an axanthic. Its not first in the world . Perhaps first in USA I agree.

someone suggested I should quit when I commented that Vince aro is just black eyed albino silver. One look at the pic posted by Vince I already know what it is. talk about quitting..

The above were the 2 points we debated about.

This statement proves that you don't know what your talking about. Never mind up until now you said you saw them in a store a long time ago that's now closed now all of sudden you've been to farms where Xanthics are raised? The fact that you claim Snows and Platinums can't be reproduced proves you know nothing about Aro's. All genetic abnormalities can be reproduced. Where do you think your Aro came from? Thin air? Some of them just mysteriously appeared one night in only certain stores in one location in the world and are completely without sex or reproductive organs and therefore can't be reproduced and by luck you grabbed one of these magical one of a kind miracle animals.

Well since you've been to farms please do tell about Silver Aro breeding. How's it accomplished? How do they produce Xanthics? Is it a dominant or recessive trait. Since you know how they can be replicated have even witnessed it first hand these questions should be easy to answer. I and the rest of the community would love to be enlightened by you so we can grow like you appreciated it when you learned how to remove ice from a typical ice tray just recently from that old woman.

You say you see them all the time but choose to not take any pics to prove your case. How hard is it to whip out your phone just to provide proof?

By the way as slayer5590 said Xanthic and Axanthic are 2 different things. I hadn't cleared up that myself because the OP also used the term and didn't want to correct anyone since there was already a lot of confusion going on. Xanthic is an animal that expresses more yellow then usual while Axanthic is the opposite an animal lacking or devoid of yellow coloration. Though I'll also state I'm almost positive KEVINFONG doesn't know what either means so I doubt that's the source of his confusion. The pictures of the animals and him saying he seen similar have been his only form of reference not the actual meanings of the names of the morphs. Case in point he has a snow but doesn't know what that means except that it's rare and matte white in color like chalk.
 
the fish in question is not an axanthic arowana, it is a xanthic aro very different color. I think this is where the problem in this discussion lies. talking about two very different color phases.

Exactly- Brofong doesn't know either.
It's easy Bro. Now get a pen and a piece of paper. Xanthic- yellow
Axanthic- no yellow


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Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

ok, I'm going to say something quick:

Brofong., here is the deal. Its the way you come here to say that these Xanthic silvers are cheap, easily bred, and not worth keeping that offends people.

The truth that hurts, is that you can't find too many pictures, if any xanthich silver arowanas online, period. If its so common you should be able to find one right away? Or its because, maybe you have lots of money, and can afford all kinds of snow and platinum, but your local stores cannot get this "xanthic" wild silver?

and the so cheap panda RTG that you say is so common, how much are they going for now ?

Yes, just at the fish. I'm honestly not offended at all. But the truth is besides the video posted which shares a tank with large platinum alligator gar, that fish is in Japan, and those fish sold for nearly 100,000 usd if I remember correctly.

Yes, you recall seeing them in the past, but not after, and not now, that means its not common. I never said its a new fish, its new in the US hobby, its new to me. Google up snow arowana, or platinum arowana, you could probably find hundreds of pictures, and then google up for xanthic silvers you get the point.

:duh: No snow and platinum are adjectives used to represent genetic abnormalities. They are used because those names are marketable. The difference isn't about looks alone otherwise if I used a procedure to strip the color off an Aro I could call it a platinum or snow depending on whether it retained it's metallic shine or not. The fact that you ignore the genetics of the fish shows how little you actually know about them. It is there genetics not just a fishes color that makes them rare.

I've said it before if xanthics are so common place why can't you find plenty of pictures to back that claim. Would you like to go picture for picture we'll look for snow and platinum aro's and you look for xanthics.

I also ask again if you have no ulterior motives why are you posting over and over again in just this thread when you've already made an assertion but offer no proof in the subsequent posts? What's the point?

Again, Kolt,two very good posts explaining why they are rare.I for one, saw a yellow colored gar, myself in person, with my own eyes in the early 1990's in Atlanta, Georgia at a tropical fish wholesale business named Finn's. From what I understand they were bought out by the company that currently exists now in the same location. The company's name is Sunpet. The gar was in a 200 gallon aquarium and stayed there for quite some time. It was Bob, the business' owner's personal fish. He loved that fish. The reason was, it was one of a kind and irreplaceable I suppose. The fish met an early demise , when it managed to jump out of the aquarium , through a small opening in the top of said aquarium. Even back then, I was told it was not albino, it had black eyes and was xanthic. I got a crash course in genetics that spring morning when all I really wanted to do was go look at and buy some oddball fish in the back warehouse. It stuck with me, what I learned that morning, because I figured if I payed attention and explained back to him how it was caused and how rare that the fish was, then I was free to go look at fish. Kolt & Bro Wes have explained that process ten fold better than that man did 25 years ago in Atlanta. I understood what it was and why it was so rare way back then and I was ONLY a teenager at the time. I don't understand why you don't understand that it's so rare and cannot be genetically 're-engineered at will, Bro Fong? It's extremely obvious that the Arowanas that Bro Wes has imported from the wild in South America are, and have the same coloring as the gar shown in this thread and the one I saw in Atlanta. They are NOT going to turn into the normal colored fish that you believe that they will in the future, at any point. Just are not going to. So they aren't albino(because of the black eyes) , they aren't snow(not white in any way), not platinum(no shiny metallic sheen,at all), and they're not normal colored fish either(they are yellowish,even orangish to some extent, with a black spot or eye/occeli spot behind their operculum/gill cover). Right? That only leaves xanthic, non-man-made, extremely rare, one in a million arowana fish. I certainly cannot find but a couple, three,four or so of these fish pictured anywhere on the internet. It's xanthic, not gonna turn normal colored ever. Just admit you were wrong in your claims, because you can't back any of it up. It's ok, we all will still talk to you and consider your points made valid, if they do indeed have basis and proof in the future. The fishgeeks were right in their claim this time, and have the physical proof and reference materials to back their claim up. It's a wild-caught,not normal colored, not albino,snow,or platinum by any stretch of imagination. It's a non-man-made fish that cannot be genetically replicated at will that is completely new to the US and extremely rare elsewhere. Right? Am I correct in this statement of the absolute facts of these individual fish imported by Bro Wes? Just say yes, you know they and everyone else is correct.

You are right...it is not a snow nor is it a platinum. Just a high shine albino king. That's why I put the ':ROFL:' but snow silver aros do not cost 100,000. Your defective snow came in the same box along with my king platinum short body gar.. you should reference this to the person who sold you your snow aro. And nice panda xbs still demand upwards of 1500 usd.

This is a 'snow'... no red coloration on it's tail, hence the term ' snow '
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Here is your snow.. there is a hint of red on it's tail. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I have discussed this before in atofanatics. The red color tail Is not an indication if it is snow or platinum.
. you should refer to that thread. The red tail platinum silver Is now a white tail fish. No adult silver has red tail.

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

This is all you need to read- you haven't kept black arro before so you couldn't tell the difference between silver. You haven't kept Xanthic before so how can you come here and claim anything related to them?


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So you've seen all these Xanthic arros and no black arros? LMAO- you're too much. You say one thing and then another that makes you look dumber. Like someone mentioned before- quit while your ahead..... Oh wait, you've never been ahead.

If you were so smart then you would ship all these Xanthic silver arros or black to the US and make millions. Oh wait you can't tell the difference between silver or black yet.


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Exactly- Brofong doesn't know either.
It's easy Bro. Now get a pen and a piece of paper. Xanthic- yellow
Axanthic- no yellow


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I have very limited knowledge.. Can't even tell a black from a silver.

The funny part is proving wrong part is actually done by someone else. The video is presented by one bro. The albino silver identify is confirmed by the owner. At least there are still some honest souls here. Appreciated.

The good thing about the subject aro is at least a few people have it.. Can Share and discuss progress.. Whereas for my plat and snow.. There is no one I know that can share progress..
 
I have very limited knowledge.. Can't even tell a black from a silver.

The funny part is proving wrong part is actually done by someone else. The video is presented by one bro. The albino silver identify is confirmed by the owner. At least there are still some honest souls here. Appreciated.

The good thing about the subject aro is at least a few people have it.. Can Share and discuss progress.. Whereas for my plat and snow.. There is no one I know that can share progress..

I don't care how rare your snow is- I would never buy one with defective eyes. How much did you buy your snow with defective eye? The picture of the other snow don't have that. Why would an elite fish keeper of your pedigree keep an inferior snow specimen?
And we aren't here to talks about your frog eyed snow. We are talking about Xanthic silver arros which you claim you see all the time but can't post any current pictures. Go to your nearest farm and take current 2015 pictures and show us. If you can't do that then all your talk is meaningless.


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I don't care how rare your snow is- I would never buy one with defective eyes. How much did you buy your snow with defective eye? The picture of the other snow don't have that. Why would an elite fish keeper of your pedigree keep an inferior snow specimen?
And we aren't here to talks about your frog eyed snow. We are talking about Xanthic silver arros which you claim you see all the time but can't post any current pictures. Go to your nearest farm and take current 2015 pictures and show us. If you can't do that then all your talk is meaningless.


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He paid around 2k usd for his ultra rare snow arowana. And his 'snow' aro was offered to more than one member of MFK before it was sold to him. Both members(Me included) turned down the fish because of the severe eye defect. Maybe I should expose the 5-6 pcs of 'snow' that I know of... and I am really a beginner on aros (40 days and counting). Kevin.. I'm sure you know the story of the frog stuck in the bottom of a well. Kingkongkaitori has bought and sold over 5pcs of snow aros the past few years. In fact.. just this past year(Oct 2014-Feb 2015) he has bought 3 pcs of snow silver aros. 2 in Oct and 1 in Feb. The next time a perfect one becomes available...I'm sure in the next few months I will buy it and post to show you. The snows are not as rare as you claim they are. You are just not 'in' with the correct people. A perfect snow will draw 2.5 times what you paid for yours.. I'm sure you already know this. Please don't belittle other members' collections when you, yourself have never owned a xanthic silver aro specimen yourself.
 
Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

ok, I'm going to say something quick:

Brofong., here is the deal. Its the way you come here to say that these Xanthic silvers are cheap, easily bred, and not worth keeping that offends people.

The truth that hurts, is that you can't find too many pictures, if any xanthich silver arowanas online, period. If its so common you should be able to find one right away? Or its because, maybe you have lots of money, and can afford all kinds of snow and platinum, but your local stores cannot get this "xanthic" wild silver?

and the so cheap panda RTG that you say is so common, how much are they going for now ?

Yes, just at the fish. I'm honestly not offended at all. But the truth is besides the video posted which shares a tank with large platinum alligator gar, that fish is in Japan, and those fish sold for nearly 100,000 usd if I remember correctly.

Yes, you recall seeing them in the past, but not after, and not now, that means its not common. I never said its a new fish, its new in the US hobby, its new to me. Google up snow arowana, or platinum arowana, you could probably find hundreds of pictures, and then google up for xanthic silvers you get the point.

:duh: No snow and platinum are adjectives used to represent genetic abnormalities. They are used because those names are marketable. The difference isn't about looks alone otherwise if I used a procedure to strip the color off an Aro I could call it a platinum or snow depending on whether it retained it's metallic shine or not. The fact that you ignore the genetics of the fish shows how little you actually know about them. It is there genetics not just a fishes color that makes them rare.

I've said it before if xanthics are so common place why can't you find plenty of pictures to back that claim. Would you like to go picture for picture we'll look for snow and platinum aro's and you look for xanthics.

I also ask again if you have no ulterior motives why are you posting over and over again in just this thread when you've already made an assertion but offer no proof in the subsequent posts? What's the point?

Again, Kolt,two very good posts explaining why they are rare.I for one, saw a yellow colored gar, myself in person, with my own eyes in the early 1990's in Atlanta, Georgia at a tropical fish wholesale business named Finn's. From what I understand they were bought out by the company that currently exists now in the same location. The company's name is Sunpet. The gar was in a 200 gallon aquarium and stayed there for quite some time. It was Bob, the business' owner's personal fish. He loved that fish. The reason was, it was one of a kind and irreplaceable I suppose. The fish met an early demise , when it managed to jump out of the aquarium , through a small opening in the top of said aquarium. Even back then, I was told it was not albino, it had black eyes and was xanthic. I got a crash course in genetics that spring morning when all I really wanted to do was go look at and buy some oddball fish in the back warehouse. It stuck with me, what I learned that morning, because I figured if I payed attention and explained back to him how it was caused and how rare that the fish was, then I was free to go look at fish. Kolt & Bro Wes have explained that process ten fold better than that man did 25 years ago in Atlanta. I understood what it was and why it was so rare way back then and I was ONLY a teenager at the time. I don't understand why you don't understand that it's so rare and cannot be genetically 're-engineered at will, Bro Fong? It's extremely obvious that the Arowanas that Bro Wes has imported from the wild in South America are, and have the same coloring as the gar shown in this thread and the one I saw in Atlanta. They are NOT going to turn into the normal colored fish that you believe that they will in the future, at any point. Just are not going to. So they aren't albino(because of the black eyes) , they aren't snow(not white in any way), not platinum(no shiny metallic sheen,at all), and they're not normal colored fish either(they are yellowish,even orangish to some extent, with a black spot or eye/occeli spot behind their operculum/gill cover). Right? That only leaves xanthic, non-man-made, extremely rare, one in a million arowana fish. I certainly cannot find but a couple, three,four or so of these fish pictured anywhere on the internet. It's xanthic, not gonna turn normal colored ever. Just admit you were wrong in your claims, because you can't back any of it up. It's ok, we all will still talk to you and consider your points made valid, if they do indeed have basis and proof in the future. The fishgeeks were right in their claim this time, and have the physical proof and reference materials to back their claim up. It's a wild-caught,not normal colored, not albino,snow,or platinum by any stretch of imagination. It's a non-man-made fish that cannot be genetically replicated at will that is completely new to the US and extremely rare elsewhere. Right? Am I correct in this statement of the absolute facts of these individual fish imported by Bro Wes? Just say yes, you know they and everyone else is correct.

You are right...it is not a snow nor is it a platinum. Just a high shine albino king. That's why I put the ':ROFL:' but snow silver aros do not cost 100,000. Your defective snow came in the same box along with my king platinum short body gar.. you should reference this to the person who sold you your snow aro. And nice panda xbs still demand upwards of 1500 usd.

This is a 'snow'... no red coloration on it's tail, hence the term ' snow '
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Here is your snow.. there is a hint of red on it's tail. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I have discussed this before in atofanatics. The red color tail Is not an indication if it is snow or platinum.
. you should refer to that thread. The red tail platinum silver Is now a white tail fish. No adult silver has red tail.

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

This is all you need to read- you haven't kept black arro before so you couldn't tell the difference between silver. You haven't kept Xanthic before so how can you come here and claim anything related to them?


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So you've seen all these Xanthic arros and no black arros? LMAO- you're too much. You say one thing and then another that makes you look dumber. Like someone mentioned before- quit while your ahead..... Oh wait, you've never been ahead.

If you were so smart then you would ship all these Xanthic silver arros or black to the US and make millions. Oh wait you can't tell the difference between silver or black yet.


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Exactly- Brofong doesn't know either.
It's easy Bro. Now get a pen and a piece of paper. Xanthic- yellow
Axanthic- no yellow


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He paid around 2k usd for his ultra rare snow arowana. And his 'snow' aro was offered to more than one member of MFK before it was sold to him. Both members(Me included) turned down the fish because of the severe eye defect. Maybe I should expose the 5-6 pcs of 'snow' that I know of... and I am really a beginner on aros (40 days and counting). Kevin.. I'm sure you know the story of the frog stuck in the bottom of a well. Kingkongkaitori has bought and sold over 5pcs of snow aros the past few years. In fact.. just this past year(Oct 2014-Feb 2015) he has bought 3 pcs of snow silver aros. 2 in Oct and 1 in Feb. The next time a perfect one becomes available...I'm sure in the next few months I will buy it and post to show you. The snows are not as rare as you claim they are. You are just not 'in' with the correct people. A perfect snow will draw 2.5 times what you paid for yours.. I'm sure you already know this. Please don't belittle other members' collections when you, yourself have never owned a xanthic silver aro specimen yourself.

I am sorry.. Please don't interpret that way. That wasn't my intent. I really meant is good that a few of you have these Unique fishes and share the growth pictures together.

when I bought the snow . I did a cslculated risk analysis. How will it grow and become eventually?

Concerns
Is it growing? Or its a stunted fish? My answer is yes It is growing. I see it as the fish present itself. The red color at the fins edges indicate the fish is growing...

Will the eye proportion to the body remain as such. The answer is no. Why.. Because the eye of the silver will stop growing after it has reached a certain diameter.. The face will continue to grow bigger and the eyes will stop growing. So it will be proportional eventually.

the fish is growing under my care. Underwent eye operation to remove the gel behind the eyes... Recovering in a covered tank.



I pretty happy with the outcome. Will post update soon.

The color Is extraordinary... Still.
 
Check out this vid are these xanthic? [video=youtube_share;Bk2neulEq-4]http://youtu.be/Bk2neulEq-4[/video]

Actually,those in the vid are albino, so what you saw as xanthic were just albino.

I saw a group of arowanA with translucent scales and no Red eyes.. I define that as a axanthic.. Of course I cannot deny it could being born from albino parents.. They share so much similarities. These were what I saw. Translucent scales Arowanas.. Just like the panda Rtg.. Which translucent scales...
They are not albino bro...

Not this guy again.....yep your right....easily breed and Very common fish.....I wish I would have listened before I bought it......hahahahahahahahaha

I don't know why you continue to post here? You made your opinion apparently clear and have offered no facts despite continually posting that you've seen them often and that they're commonly available. Fact: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>. So far you provided one pic that was so horrendous it almost looks to be a illustration on piece old paper and your statements over and over again that you've seen xanthics more then leucistics,snows and albinos. Facts would consist of actual documented numbers of how many captive bred animals there are of each or at very least and this would be reaching for it to be called a fact, producing more pictured examples of the xanthic over the other three. A quick search of the net and you'll find that the other three(leu,alb,snow) are far more photographed then anything claimed to be xanthic. This suggests that you're assertions are actually incorrect never mind that you have labeled your statements with no evidence as fact.

Now addressing genetics lets start with the "snow". Just so you know what a snow actually is it is an animal who is is a double homozygous. It is homozygous (visibly) for both the albino and axanthic gene. That being said a true snow is more likely to be one of the rarer if not rarest color morphs. Leucism on the other hand is the reduction of all pigment in an animal. That being said visually the two could look identical with the only way to tell the difference is if the animal had some expression of black in it's normal coloration. Seeing as Aro's don't the only other ways to tell would be to know the genetics of the parents or have the fish tested. With that said I'd be more then skeptical of someone claiming to have a snow who didn't have documentation and would definitely say that person is foolish if they bought such a animal for a lot of money with no documentation as evidence. Reason being without the documentation neither the owner or others could readily tell if they got what they paid for. As such I would also be hesitant to throw out the whole you paid too much for that as those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In regards to the video there are many ways albinism can express and one is yellowing with age due to the accumulation of riboflavins from its diet. So an Albino can appear slightly Xanthic and since there's no good light source on the eyes of the Aro we can hardly claim definitively that it's not an Albino or something else.

With that said 1hottuna and vincent those are some beauties and I would definitely take Wes word a million times over then this gentleman. Wes has far more experience and knowledge as he's in the trade and travels often enough to know what's out there. My feeling is KELVINFONG has reasons beyond just trying to educate seeing as he's provided nothing and this seems to be the only thread that receives his attention which means there's probably ulterior motives for his posting. Your best bet is just to let him talk and ignore him unless he actually contributes something worthwhile other then his supposed personal observations.

Do you see how terrible you are? In your own words, you can't tell the difference between silver and black aro, because you have never kept black aro before. As for silver, you ONLY collecting platinum and snow. That's why you know the difference between snow, platinum, and albino. Do you collect albino? If you don't, how can you tell the difference between albino to platinum or snow? Do you keep xanthic or axanthic? If you don't, how can you dismiss another member axanthic or xanthic as common, low cost fish? Btw, what's the difference between platinum and snow? Care to explain/elaborate? What you've posted so far have clarified only one thing: you don't know what you're talking about!

ok, I'm going to say something quick:

Brofong., here is the deal. Its the way you come here to say that these Xanthic silvers are cheap, easily bred, and not worth keeping that offends people.

The truth that hurts, is that you can't find too many pictures, if any xanthich silver arowanas online, period. If its so common you should be able to find one right away? Or its because, maybe you have lots of money, and can afford all kinds of snow and platinum, but your local stores cannot get this "xanthic" wild silver?

and the so cheap panda RTG that you say is so common, how much are they going for now ?

Yes, just at the fish. I'm honestly not offended at all. But the truth is besides the video posted which shares a tank with large platinum alligator gar, that fish is in Japan, and those fish sold for nearly 100,000 usd if I remember correctly.

Yes, you recall seeing them in the past, but not after, and not now, that means its not common. I never said its a new fish, its new in the US hobby, its new to me. Google up snow arowana, or platinum arowana, you could probably find hundreds of pictures, and then google up for xanthic silvers you get the point.

:duh: No snow and platinum are adjectives used to represent genetic abnormalities. They are used because those names are marketable. The difference isn't about looks alone otherwise if I used a procedure to strip the color off an Aro I could call it a platinum or snow depending on whether it retained it's metallic shine or not. The fact that you ignore the genetics of the fish shows how little you actually know about them. It is there genetics not just a fishes color that makes them rare.

I've said it before if xanthics are so common place why can't you find plenty of pictures to back that claim. Would you like to go picture for picture we'll look for snow and platinum aro's and you look for xanthics.

I also ask again if you have no ulterior motives why are you posting over and over again in just this thread when you've already made an assertion but offer no proof in the subsequent posts? What's the point?

Again, Kolt,two very good posts explaining why they are rare.I for one, saw a yellow colored gar, myself in person, with my own eyes in the early 1990's in Atlanta, Georgia at a tropical fish wholesale business named Finn's. From what I understand they were bought out by the company that currently exists now in the same location. The company's name is Sunpet. The gar was in a 200 gallon aquarium and stayed there for quite some time. It was Bob, the business' owner's personal fish. He loved that fish. The reason was, it was one of a kind and irreplaceable I suppose. The fish met an early demise , when it managed to jump out of the aquarium , through a small opening in the top of said aquarium. Even back then, I was told it was not albino, it had black eyes and was xanthic. I got a crash course in genetics that spring morning when all I really wanted to do was go look at and buy some oddball fish in the back warehouse. It stuck with me, what I learned that morning, because I figured if I payed attention and explained back to him how it was caused and how rare that the fish was, then I was free to go look at fish. Kolt & Bro Wes have explained that process ten fold better than that man did 25 years ago in Atlanta. I understood what it was and why it was so rare way back then and I was ONLY a teenager at the time. I don't understand why you don't understand that it's so rare and cannot be genetically 're-engineered at will, Bro Fong? It's extremely obvious that the Arowanas that Bro Wes has imported from the wild in South America are, and have the same coloring as the gar shown in this thread and the one I saw in Atlanta. They are NOT going to turn into the normal colored fish that you believe that they will in the future, at any point. Just are not going to. So they aren't albino(because of the black eyes) , they aren't snow(not white in any way), not platinum(no shiny metallic sheen,at all), and they're not normal colored fish either(they are yellowish,even orangish to some extent, with a black spot or eye/occeli spot behind their operculum/gill cover). Right? That only leaves xanthic, non-man-made, extremely rare, one in a million arowana fish. I certainly cannot find but a couple, three,four or so of these fish pictured anywhere on the internet. It's xanthic, not gonna turn normal colored ever. Just admit you were wrong in your claims, because you can't back any of it up. It's ok, we all will still talk to you and consider your points made valid, if they do indeed have basis and proof in the future. The fishgeeks were right in their claim this time, and have the physical proof and reference materials to back their claim up. It's a wild-caught,not normal colored, not albino,snow,or platinum by any stretch of imagination. It's a non-man-made fish that cannot be genetically replicated at will that is completely new to the US and extremely rare elsewhere. Right? Am I correct in this statement of the absolute facts of these individual fish imported by Bro Wes? Just say yes, you know they and everyone else is correct.

You are right...it is not a snow nor is it a platinum. Just a high shine albino king. That's why I put the ':ROFL:' but snow silver aros do not cost 100,000. Your defective snow came in the same box along with my king platinum short body gar.. you should reference this to the person who sold you your snow aro. And nice panda xbs still demand upwards of 1500 usd.

This is a 'snow'... no red coloration on it's tail, hence the term ' snow '
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Here is your snow.. there is a hint of red on it's tail. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I have discussed this before in atofanatics. The red color tail Is not an indication if it is snow or platinum.
. you should refer to that thread. The red tail platinum silver Is now a white tail fish. No adult silver has red tail.

Albino variiant short body silver.... That's a lot of big words from a person who can't tell the difference between a black and silver arowana, the only important fact that's on your side bro! Why don't you quit while you're still ahead...

This is all you need to read- you haven't kept black arro before so you couldn't tell the difference between silver. You haven't kept Xanthic before so how can you come here and claim anything related to them?


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So you've seen all these Xanthic arros and no black arros? LMAO- you're too much. You say one thing and then another that makes you look dumber. Like someone mentioned before- quit while your ahead..... Oh wait, you've never been ahead.

If you were so smart then you would ship all these Xanthic silver arros or black to the US and make millions. Oh wait you can't tell the difference between silver or black yet.


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Exactly- Brofong doesn't know either.
It's easy Bro. Now get a pen and a piece of paper. Xanthic- yellow
Axanthic- no yellow


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He paid around 2k usd for his ultra rare snow arowana. And his 'snow' aro was offered to more than one member of MFK before it was sold to him. Both members(Me included) turned down the fish because of the severe eye defect. Maybe I should expose the 5-6 pcs of 'snow' that I know of... and I am really a beginner on aros (40 days and counting). Kevin.. I'm sure you know the story of the frog stuck in the bottom of a well. Kingkongkaitori has bought and sold over 5pcs of snow aros the past few years. In fact.. just this past year(Oct 2014-Feb 2015) he has bought 3 pcs of snow silver aros. 2 in Oct and 1 in Feb. The next time a perfect one becomes available...I'm sure in the next few months I will buy it and post to show you. The snows are not as rare as you claim they are. You are just not 'in' with the correct people. A perfect snow will draw 2.5 times what you paid for yours.. I'm sure you already know this. Please don't belittle other members' collections when you, yourself have never owned a xanthic silver aro specimen yourself.

Perhaps you can show me a so call perfect snow aro from internet. Since there are so many as you claim perfect snow aro... And you will be getting a perfect one in 2 to 3 months time.. Remember snow and don't show me some platinum or albino....

Ideally a video.. So that can see both sides of the fish and to avoid photo editing
 
Kevin..look at post #53. Wes shares a link to Kingkong. If you browse the site you will be able to count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 'snow dragons' All look perfect. Remember to look at page 2 also. There are a few videos attached. You should take your time and read the other members' posts. Who knows, you might actually gain something.
 
Kevin, we're not upset about your opinion of the fish's outcome. We are upset that you come here and basically say the fish is worthless and that you'd never keep one because it's not up to your standards like your a fish god or something. Try being a little more humble, no one likes someone that's full of themselves. Just because you have a lot of money and nice rare fish doesn't mean your better than anyone else. You have a nice collection of fish and seem to be a good fish keeper. Let's give that respect to others. Have a good day.


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It's true that an axanthic fish would have no yellow or red. What you have there seems to be an albino, which is a lack of black coloration (melanin). The red eyes are what gives it away!
 
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