Flowerhorn infertility
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This is her without her breeding dress. She is very deep red in real life and now I have sand in the tank and that helped with color
Good looking pair you got there.
Just keep them stable, with little to no temp or pH fluctuations and in the same tank with a divider then wait till the female is ready to go. Sometimes swinging the parameters and raising the salinity messes with the female's egg laying cycle. Do water changes weekly, it helps stimulate them.
Female infertility is actually rare with flowerhorn and other hybrids, even in F1 crosses. Most commonly, infertile females won't lay eggs as opposed to laying bad eggs. So if your female lays eggs and tends to them (some do not making them a bad breeding choice) then there is at least a 90%-95% chance that the eggs and the female are fertile.
You need to give your female time. It takes at least a year and a half to see if she will lay eggs. Remember they are hybrids and sexual maturity is a trait that can be manipulated like any other trait. If she doesn't lay eggs by then, then I would assume that the female was infertile.
Your male is beautiful and looks like a perfect specimen of a jk or fader x zz strain. I highly doubt that he is infertile. Your female looks like a Red Texas cross which would be the reason for her white eyes. Texas cichlids, unless line bred to have red eyes, normally have cream colored or pale orange eyes.
There is a "theory" that suggests that white eyed flowerhorn/kamfa are infertile or have a higher chance of infertility. Sadly, this is not true. Too many times have I bred red eyed males only to discover they were infertile. Also, the "theory" only applies to males, regardless its complete bs. I only bring it up as you mentioned their eye color specifically when describing them. Just want to clear the air on that.
Keep trying and good luck
Thanks, alot of good info here! I've also been told Thai import fish are less likely fertile than other other Asian regions. Any truth to that you know of? Thanks for clearing up the eye color thing!
That is a gorgeous female! You have some great looking fish in your collection.
Definitely not. Thai, Malaysian, Filipino, Canadian, etc, etc all have the same probability of fertility/infertility, you just need to know what you are buying and who you are buying from. There is a lot of hype and misinformation out there to dissuade you from breeders and different strains from specific regions, do not fall victim to it. It is simply competition and poor marketing schemes to get you to buy from somewhere else.
Know what you are buying and from who is the best advice I can give you. A Kamfa from the USA and a kamfa from Japan are going to have the same chance at fertility (or lack there of) because of the strain the breeders are working with. That is a safe assumption to make. So a faded zz or jk from Thailand has the same chance at fertility as their Malaysian or USA counter parts. However, this advice is highly reliant on the purchaser's ability to properly identify the fish in question.
There are liars out there that will post a picture of amazing fish and swear they have fry from them and will try to sell them to you at incredibly small sizes. This way, by the time the fish is identified as a dud, the seller has already moved on. This is a very popular scam I see all the time. Flowerhorn have been around long enough for great breeders and distributors to develop their own reputations and scam artists to pop up and disappear leaving patterns of their deception behind.
Hope this helps more than it confused
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Just depends on the genes of the fish. I have two Thai imports a super red Texas and a king Kamfa that's taking a while for them to breed. It's a community tank so not trying to make them breed but they paired off and looking for a place to make them their own.
Here's my female pictures don't do it justice tons and tons of pearls on her. Her tube dropped once with me and laid eggs prior according to the seller.
Here's my female pictures don't do it justice tons and tons of pearls on her. Her tube dropped once with me and laid eggs prior according to the seller.
That is a gorgeous female! You have some great looking fish in your collection.
Definitely not. Thai, Malaysian, Filipino, Canadian, etc, etc all have the same probability of fertility/infertility, you just need to know what you are buying and who you are buying from. There is a lot of hype and misinformation out there to dissuade you from breeders and different strains from specific regions, do not fall victim to it. It is simply competition and poor marketing schemes to get you to buy from somewhere else.
Know what you are buying and from who is the best advice I can give you. A Kamfa from the USA and a kamfa from Japan are going to have the same chance at fertility (or lack there of) because of the strain the breeders are working with. That is a safe assumption to make. So a faded zz or jk from Thailand has the same chance at fertility as their Malaysian or USA counter parts. However, this advice is highly reliant on the purchaser's ability to properly identify the fish in question.
There are liars out there that will post a picture of amazing fish and swear they have fry from them and will try to sell them to you at incredibly small sizes. This way, by the time the fish is identified as a dud, the seller has already moved on. This is a very popular scam I see all the time. Flowerhorn have been around long enough for great breeders and distributors to develop their own reputations and scam artists to pop up and disappear leaving patterns of their deception behind.
Hope this helps more than it confused
From my experience ZZ will breed a lot quicker as well. My Thai Flowerhorn won't even breed but let's not get into how inbred they are but takes a while for them to breed I guess and a lot are infertile due to the inbred process
Beautiful female you have there. You mentioned your thai imports are super red texas and a king kamfa and you are trying to get them to breed. Both strains have a very low chance that the males are fertile. That could be contributing to your struggle. However, you still need to try...that female is amazing and I am positive that your male is just as nice from seeing the other pieces in your collection. Try to give them time...remember a year and a half? same suggestion again here
ZZs are very different from kamfa and red texas in terms of what to expect when breeding. ZZs are very close to the Trimac making their genes very stable so they have little to no fertility issues. These lack of issues allow ZZ strains to continue as far as, and possibility further than, an F10 level. Kamfa and Red Texas are too close to their F1 hybrid cross level, mostly due to the fact that their males are infertile forcing the breeders to out-breed the females and continuing and F1 level line.
For my Kamfa and the red Texas I'm not trying to actually breed them they just paired up. I wish I had a tank for them to breed I bet I can in a few weeks. The female bit his kok after they paired off lip locking. You won't ever see them apart. The last pair of fish that bred in my community the male killed everything else. That's why I don't want to breed.
Here's a picture of my king Kamfa he's awesome let's me pet him and hand feed him. His skin is growing back nicely lol
Here's a picture of my king Kamfa he's awesome let's me pet him and hand feed him. His skin is growing back nicely lol
