Switched from prime to safe- dead fish

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My point is that if he truly proved people wrong and he was right, then he wouldn't be banned. The forums want those people to be around if they have that much knowledge.

I guess what I'm trying to say, he probably wasn't right and was banned for another reason.

Don't you know it's perfectly normal to get banned for trying to help others and conducting yourself like an adult.
 
CarpCharacin CarpCharacin For me the problem is not with his credentials. His entire argument is based on the claim that seachem uses the same formula as described in the patent owned by John Kuhns and Aquascience Research Group. Here are some quotes from product reviews on another forum.
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has used this product for 1-3 Years.
Overall Rating: 10/10 July 13, 2004
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"I don't love the smell, but..."
...Prime is the best, and most cost effective product of its kind on the market. The sulphur-y smell takes a bit of getting used to and the initial cost is high, but a little goes a long way. Great product!

has used this product for 3-12 Months.
Overall Rating: 3/10 October 15, 2005
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"DON'T BE FOOLED: This is not the Amquel You Think it is."
Amquel + is the brand name owned by Kordon, but the inventor with the patents (Aquascience/John F. Kuns) no longer makes it for Kordon. This new product stinks to high heaven and I there have been complaints about its claims.

The real AMquel is now marketed by Hikari. Here is the text from the Hikari wensite:

"Cloram-X® is the Hikari Sales USA product which replaces the original version of Amquel®. It does not bind ammonia into a non-toxic form for removal by the filtration system. It actually removes the ammonia! Again there is some confusion in the marketplace regarding this product. Aquascience Research Group is the laboratory that holds the patent on the Cloram-X® molecule which was originally brought to market in a product called Amquel®. Kordon® marketed Amquel® and owns the trademark rights to that name. Within the last year or so Kordon® went to another lab and created a new product called Amquel® Plus using a completely new formulation. Actually, Cloram-X® is an improvement on the formula as it does not have a detrimental effect on dissolved oxygen and has a better buffering agent so as not to impact pH."


Notice the dates. Do you think it likely that both seachem and Kordon were using the same patent at the same time? The references to the smell all point to prime being different than the ARG formula as well. I was skeptical of claims on both sides of the debate, so I did a little digging and so far what I can find backs up RD's position. Obviously there is a difference in Safe and Prime, but I can't find anything that suggests the basic makeup is different.

 
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