White saum/M or F

[Stanzzzz7]

I have to jump in here a field to a basement is not in a good comparison to an extra 2 feet in an aquarium, apples and oranges. A green terror could potentially grow past 10 inches but there's a slim chance it will. It will most likely be in the 8-9 inch range(optimal conditions) an 8 inch fish doesn't need a whole 125 to itself, if you give an extra 2 feet it's just generous in regards to comfort but you can't knock someone for giving a 75 to an 8-9 inch fish lets be real here

If you're such an expert on this species, how come you have another thread asking if normal lateral line makings and a caudal spot were anything to worry about.I would have thought someone with your knowledge of the species would know these basic things) )

 

[GTcichlid74]

Oh god, are you one of those

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Oh god, are you one of those

Apparently

 

[Frank Castle]

So your depriving him of "companionship" and space.Lucky green terror.
No stimulation no room to swim and deprived of the chance to ever mate.No wonder it hardly swims and just glass bangs like some mental case.
Your experience with these fish is completely different to mine.I kept mine in a 7x2x2 in a harem.I found them social highly active fish.They energetically used all the space.
I never once saw mine glass bang or mope about.
I find most large cichlids in solitary confinement glass bang a lot more than those housed in communities.I wonder if lack of stimulation has a role to play.
I'm not saying I am right or you are wrong but these are my views on housing this species fairly. At the end of the day we are trapping these animals in a glass box no matter how big it is,so why confine them to the absolute minimum?
If your comfortable keeping a fish like a green terror locked up in solitary confinement in a tank that small, that's up to you.Personally I couldn't do it.

interesting way to look at it. might explain why my old male Midas was psychotic......but then again, he also tried to beat a 23" Channel Catfish to death

My friend's big male GT was a glass-banger and he was kept in a community tank, but it was over-stocked also

 

[aztsm]

Stanzzzz7 You interpreted my comment to negatively, or perhaps I need to reread it myself. None of these conditions are ideal, I agree with you all the way around. My comment on companionship is stating a fact that the fish keeper is already depriving him of it, and in my opinion as I stated I find a single riv in a 75 perfectly fine. I have kept single rivs and I did not find them to be anymore unlucky or unhappy in a 4ft tank than a 6ft. I didn't find them unhappy at all. Were they living the dream? No of course not. Good for you for having had a sweet scape and harem of rivs, not everyone is as capable. If we're putting someone down here for owning a single rivulatus in a 75g tank I'm sorry but like I said you could do a whole lot worse.

It's just my experience. And in it all of my rivulatus have glass banged their reflection occasionally, males and females. It seems to be an adolescent teenage year kind of thing. It's another male/female in their tank obviously, how is this psychotic? Just as they tend to go at each other on occasion. I guess I didn't say occasionally in my original comment.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

This is the thing I never understand is when people say it could be a lot worse.
Yes a 75 is a lot better than a 40 breeder,but is a 75 the right size tank to recommend for a 10 to 12 inch fish?I don't think so,not when the width of the tank is the same as the Length of the fish.
Even the length is restrictive and the fish would not be able to swim anywhere near full speed in it.
So yes things could and often are worse for these fish but that does not mean we should be recommending a compromise when we could be recommending something ideal.
Lots of new hobbyists read these threads and I personally feel that recommending bigger tanks is a good thing for the welfare of these animals.
It's an all to common affair to hear these stories of oscars in 55 gallons,Pangasius catfish in 75's pacu in 120's and so on.
The choice of fish species are endless,there is something for every size of tank and every budget. The excuse "It's the only size tank I can afford or the only size tank I can fit in my house,or the promise of adequate filtration or extra large water changes is irrelevant.
If that's the case keep rams or blue acaras or something that can thrive in the size tank you have.
I love veija species,they are probably my favourite genus but I won't keep them anymore.
The space I can provide for them is not enough for a species that can exceed 14 inches.
Sometimes you just have to go with out and choose a species that you can meet half way with its needs for space,stimulation and exercise.
I am under no illusion that what we can provide for our fish is anything like what they have in the wild,I do however feel that not enough hobbyists are meeting their fish half way.
The trouble is most people seem to decide on a species they like and buy it regardless. Tank size being not so important as long as they have that Oscar or dovii or midas or gt.
I'm sure most on this forum will be board stiff of reading me harping on again about tank size,and I don't blame them,I do it a lot. If i make one new hobbyist think again about cramming that poor jag in a 75 then it's worth bearing the crap out if you all.

 

[virgil2090]

A 75 gallon tank is 48x18.the width or depth you mention is incorrect.A 10-12 inch fish does have space to turn around

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Depends on the height.if yours is 21"high it will be 18 I except.Still changes little.

 

[Frank Castle]

A 75 gallon tank is 48x18.the width or depth you mention is incorrect.A 10-12 inch fish does have space to turn around

Depends on the height.if yours is 21"high it will be 18 I except.Still changes little.

these posts just confused me.....75g = 48"L X 18"W X 21"H,

.....and a 90g is 48"L X 18"W X 24"H

.....while the 110 X-High is 48"L X 18"W X 30"H...........