NFL and other sports Flag ceremony protest thread.

[skjl47]

I imagine an Extreme leftist would tell someone they suck athletes off for not agreeing with them or throw any number of insults out there.

Hello; Again you are wrong about this tactic. Most any one can and will use it. I am sometimes tempted to do so myself. It generally depends on how angry I happen to be with the other person. May I suggest you try a different argument. I get that you think calling someone who is a conservative type such a name gets at them. Maybe it does for some. However it is a waste when directed at me.

S skjl47 my wife is currently organizing a wish list drive with our sons school. What do you think our military men and women would appreciate more paper, pens, wipes, tooth paste, music OR Me not watching football.

Hello; It is not an either-or situation to my way of thinking. It may well be that troops appreciate both actions. How the active troops feel about the flag ceremony protests would be a thing worth knowing.

Hello; I get that you plan to continue to go to and/or watch the NFL games. I plan not to. If you have worked it out so you feel justified about your choice, then so be it. I do not have to like it and I don't much. I want the protests in any form to be stopped during the flag ceremony.

I think one way to get to this outcome is for folks to stop watching the games. That does not appear to be working as too few seem willing to give up the games for the principle of the thing. While it appears to be a lost cause I respect those who have given up the games out of respect for our flag.

 

[jaws7777]

"Hello; Again you are wrong about this tactic. Most any one can and will use it. I am sometimes tempted to do so myself. It generally depends on how angry I happen to be with the other person. May I suggest you try a different argument. I get that you think calling someone who is a conservative type such a name gets at them. Maybe it does for some. However it is a waste when directed at me"

Your not understanding me. So be it i guess it suits you to do so.


"Hello; It is not an either-or situation to my way of thinking. It may well be that troops appreciate both actions. How the active troops feel about the flag ceremony protests would be a thing worth knowing"

I knew i wouldnt get a straight answer from you. No need to beat a dead horse.


"I think one way to get to this outcome is for folks to stop watching the games. That does not appear to be working as too few seem willing to give up the games for the principle of the thing. While it appears to be a lost cause I respect those who have given up the games out of respect for our flag"

Great. I respect those that get off their asses and actually do something. But to each his own.

So did you lose respect for yourself when you watched the games you admitted to watching ?



I am probably wasting my time as im sure to not get a straight answer for you.

BUT did you ever stop and thing the blm/kap geniuses that started this are getting exactly what they want and you may be playing right into it.

Bad press is good press. All the talking back and forth protesting the games blah blah its a basically disruptive to the norm.....mhhh i would think that suits them just fine.

Tip go pick up nfl redzone....no anthems ni beginnings of games.

Guys dont watch football and they get on high horse lambasting other for watching it but do little to nothing else. I think its comical.

S skjl47 do you watch movies ? Do you go to the theaters ?

 

[skjl47]

I am probably wasting my time as im sure to not get a straight answer for you.

Hello; With regard to your unusual logic I guess you are wasting time. The method of discussion you use seems to be to spin or twist my responses in some cases or to go off on a tangent. For example when I stated that troops may like both a "wish list " care package and also may like that some of us have stopped watching the NFL games because of the flag protests, that was a straight answer. I did not dance around about it.
That you wanted me to pick one or the other is clear enough. Interesting that you did not like it.

Bad press is good press. All the talking back and forth protesting the games blah blah its a basically disruptive to the norm.....mhhh i would think that suits them just fine

Hello; Not sure how my personal boycott of NFL games plays into the hand of the protesters. This bit is a ways out there.

Tip go pick up nfl redzone....no anthems ni beginnings of games.

Hello; Not sure what you mean by this. I understand the TV broadcasts stopped showing the anthem and flag ceremony to the home audiences. This does not mean that the kneeling or what ever other forms of protest are not going on, just that they are not being televised. That the protests are not being shown is not good enough. The NFL needs to stop the protests and enforce the rules as written in their own rules book.

Guys dont watch football and they get on high horse lambasting other for watching it but do little to nothing else. I think its comical.

Hello; This comment makes little sense as written but I think I get what you are driving at. Already answered this one a while back.

S skjl47 do you watch movies ? Do you go to the theaters ?

Hello; Again a jump to a tangential topic. My first wife use such a tactic when her basic argument was found to be lacking. A deflection from the main topic. Needs to be done face to face to have much effect.

So did you lose respect for yourself when you watched the games you admitted to watching ?

Hello; Already answered if you bothered to read my prior comments.

But to each his own.

hello; This I can see the point of. I fear that it is not actually good enough for you based on your comments. You want to continue watching the NFL and also not have some one such as myself call you out for it.
Our national symbol, the flag, is being disrespected during a public and formal ceremony. If that is OK then keep watching NFL games. I have decided to stop watching until the flag protests stop altogether.

 

[jaws7777]

"With regard to your unusual logic I guess you are wasting time. The method of discussion you use seems to be to spin or twist my responses in some cases or to go off on a tangent. For example when I stated that troops may like both a "wish list " care package and also may like that some of us have stopped watching the NFL games because of the flag protests, that was a straight answer. I did not dance around about it"

No thats dancing..im sure they would like both but i asked what they would like more.

What about the military members that watch ?

"Not sure how my personal boycott of NFL games plays into the hand of the protesters. This bit is a ways out there"

Yes it definitly is a reach. Im just saying all the disruption keep them and the b.s they are doing in the forefront.

"The NFL needs to stop the protests and enforce the rules as written in their own rules book."

I couldnt agree more

"Hello; Again a jump to a tangential topic. My first wife use such a tactic when her basic argument was found to be lacking. A deflection from the main topic. "

Not really. What you see as a deflection i see as an example.

So do you watch movies, tv, ect ect ?

"You want to continue watching the NFL and also not have some one such as myself call you out for it.
Our national symbol, the flag, is being disrespected during a public and formal ceremony. If that is OK then keep watching NFL games"

Not all feel free to call me out on it. Its your right. My original comments were towards the member that chose to imply anyone that is watching the games can "suck" something.
You chose to debate my comments and actions. Again in your rights but its also in my rights to call b.s on what you think is some great achievement or stand your making when your doing next to nothing that actually helps these people.

Im really curious about the movies and tv. Any way i can get a straight answer ?

 

[skjl47]

Hello; J jaws7777 We have gone around this several times now. There are only a couple of things I see as needing further comment.
One is I do not know what the large number of active duty or retired troops actually think about "care packages" or the flag protests. I have spoken only to a very few I know personally. Among the military people I have spoken to about it they are 100% against the flag protests during NFL games. I do not know if they watch the games.
I guess you will consider this dancing around the question, but I have taken a personal stand on the issue after thinking about it for several weeks. Actually what the troops might think was not a consideration when I was thinking about what to do.

I started this thread so we can have a place other than the NFL discussion thread to talk about a specific and somewhat narrow issue. I note that the other NFL thread is still going on but I no longer post on it as I no longer watch the NFL games. I do not plan to be drawn into a side discussion about movies. This thread is about the flag protests at NFL football games. I can see it flowing into other examples of protest during the flag or anthem ceremonies at other events, but not movies.

 

[jaws7777]

Hello; J jaws7777 We have gone around this several times now. There are only a couple of things I see as needing further comment.
One is I do not know what the large number of active duty or retired troops actually think about "care packages" or the flag protests. I have spoken only to a very few I know personally. Among the military people I have spoken to about it they are 100% against the flag protests during NFL games. I do not know if they watch the games.
I guess you will consider this dancing around the question, but I have taken a personal stand on the issue after thinking about it for several weeks. Actually what the troops might think was not a consideration when I was thinking about what to do.

I started this thread so we can have a place other than the NFL discussion thread to talk about a specific and somewhat narrow issue. I note that the other NFL thread is still going on but I no longer post on it as I no longer watch the NFL games. I do not plan to be drawn into a side discussion about movies. This thread is about the flag protests at NFL football games. I can see it flowing into other examples of protest during the flag or anthem ceremonies at other events, but not movies.

Gotcha your thread your rules . I have nothing constructive to add.
I assume you dont wanna answer the movie question because you still do watch movies (as do i) meanwhile many of these actors, producers, directors, and esecs have done/say things just as bad if not worse than the kneeling players. Maybe you say you only watch movies made by people who havent done anything wrong....couldnt i say not all of the players knelt ?

I would have more respect for your condemnation of my continuing to watch the nfl had you started your boycott when this kneeling 1st start but you did not. I assume the amount of players kneeling reached an unacceptable level for you, or maybe the overwhelming outcry against it played a part in you finding it unacceptable THIS YEAR. Is that called groupthink ? So last year you were a bad american but this year your not ?

I wont reply going forward as it seems the basis of the thread is for all to ONLY agree with each other. Enjoy

 

[skjl47]

meanwhile many of these actors, producers, directors, and esecs have done/say things just as bad if not worse than the kneeling players.

Hello; here is a thought, start a thread about what the actors and all do and say. (I guess this will be for others as Jaws has quite the thread) ( maybe do it for jaws)

I would have more respect for your views if you started your boycott when this kneeling 1st start but you did not. I assume the amount of players kneeling reached an unacceptable level for you,

Hello; The first year it was only the one player if I recall correctly. He was basically benched and eventually no longer a player. This current season it became a much bigger in terms of the number of players involved. I did not want to quit NFL ball and hoped the NFL bosses would fix things so waited for that. I wanted to give the NFL a chance to do the right thing. They did not. My last thinking was how unfair the situation is to the players who have never done a protest so I tried the bit of watching only bears and cowboys games. So I am guilty of taking a while to finally quit the NFL and for that you do not respect me. Fair enough.

I wont reply going forward

Hello; Thanks, but that is your call. not my request.

it seems the basis of the thread is for all to ONLY agree with each other. Enjoy

Hello; No you have twisted things around again. How sad. I never suggested that you stop making comments. I did do my best to counter such statements you have made that I do not agree with. Again I do not like some of the things you say and you are free to dislike my comments.

 

[jaws7777]

I guess i lied....ooops

My wife does this when shes wrong about something.

I said :
I wouldhave more respect for your condemnation of my continuing to watch the nfl had you started your boycott when this kneeling 1st start but you did not.

I went back and edited it as it didnt really convey my thoughts but even so.
It originally read " i did not respect your view"

You heard/read/understood :

"So I am guilty of taking a while to finally quit the NFL and for that you do not respect me. Fair enough"

The view not the person. I guess we both have issues with twisting things man

 

[FMA4ME]

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[krichardson]

I'm not sure what the exact reason was but tv ratings for the Sunday games were not as high as the league and the network had hoped they would be.