What are some of your go to pellet foods?
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What's the problem, Frank? I'm not angry at all, like you usual you just don't seem to get it. The OP was a kid, making sheet up as he went along. He should have been nuked months ago. That has nothing to do with what you are pissing and moaning about. Bad info is bad info, period.
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Wow. That was eventful.
Let’s see if we can go back to the original convo? Lol
What about sera? I have recently been trying out the sera sturgeon pellets. They have probiotics in them already and are designed for larger predators. MY fish seem to love them. They don’t make a big mess and I seem to get them for 1/3 the price of the others.
Just wondering if anyone knows about them.
Let’s see if we can go back to the original convo? Lol
What about sera? I have recently been trying out the sera sturgeon pellets. They have probiotics in them already and are designed for larger predators. MY fish seem to love them. They don’t make a big mess and I seem to get them for 1/3 the price of the others.
Just wondering if anyone knows about them.
I know Cory from Aquarium Coop pushes this line. I just haven't been impressed by the ingredients. Check out the list for the Sera O-nip tabs below.
This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask. How does that milk protein fare as an ingredient (Calcium caseinate)? I recognize what that is bc it's a popular protein powder in the fitness industry (not as popular as Whey but it's popular bc it's a slow digesting protein powder).
Im guessing Sera uses it to bump up the protein percentage?
I'm guessing its not great as fish don't eat milk in the wild but RD is the one who would know best how Calcium caseinate fares as an ingredient in fish food. I wonder if it's better or worse than padding protein content with Soy.
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Just as I was proofreading, I realized milk powder is listed right after Calcium caseinate. That's what originally turned me off this food. They likely broke up two milk ingredients so it's not higher on the ingredients list.
Sera O-nip tabs ingredients:
Fish Meal, Wheat Flour, Brewers Yeast, Ca-Caseinate, Milk Powder, Krill (4.9%), Bloodworms (4.2%), Gammarus (2.6%), Tubifex (2.1%), Sugar, Spirulina Algae Meal, Sea Algae Meal, Mannan Oligosaccharides (0.4%), Cod-Liver Oil (Containing 34% Omega Fatty Acids), Herbs, Lucerne Meal (Alfalfa), Stinging Nettle Meal, Parsley, Green-Lipped Mussel Meal, Paprika, Haematococcus Algae, Spinach Meal, Carrots, Garlic, Colorants (Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, FD&C Red #3, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Blue #2).
Additives: Vitamins And Provitamins: Vit. A 12,882 IU/Lb., Vit. D3 626 IU/Lb., Vit. E (D, L-Î-Tocopheryl Acetate) 42 IU/Lb., Vit. B1 12 Mg/Lb., Vit. B2 31 Mg/Lb., Stabilized Vit. C (L-Ascorbyl Monophosphate) 191 Mg/Lb.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (min) 45.3%
Crude Fat (min) 7.8%Crude Fiber (max) 6.1%
Moisture (max) 6.6%
Crude Ash (max) 12.9%
Hmmmm, I dunno, is it ok with Captain America if we carry on discussing the original topic? Hopefully that was the last of his emotional outbursts for a while. lol
So back on topic …..
sera Sturgeon Granules
Ingredients
fish meal, wheat flour, wheat germ, wheat gluten, brewers yeast, Ca-caseinate, fish oil, mannan oligosaccharides (0.4%), green-lipped mussel, garlic.
Guaranteed analysis
Min. Crude Protein 46.6%, Min. Crude Fat 13.9%, Max. Crude Fiber 5.5%, Max. Moisture 6.0%, Max. Crude Ash 9.1%.
Sera has been around forever, IMO is very similar to Tetra, both German companies that use some rather questionable lower quality raw ingredients, while stacking the terrestrial based plant matter. As an example, in this formula the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th ingredients listed by dry weight is WHEAT. Add all 3 ingredients up, and wheat would more than likely become the main ingredient listed on a dry matter basis. Not cool, especially for a fish that is a carnivore. Ingredient splitting is an old trick going back several decades, and as much as I love German technology, when you look closely at their fish foods they are all typically designed in this manner. Tropical brand is another brand that IMO is very similar to Tetra, and sera. Their EU ingredient list accountability is sketchy at best, and raw ingredients such as "cereals" don't pass the sniff test.
So in this formula, instead of using things like Calcium caseinate, to boost the protein levels in this formula, how about adding more fish meal, moving the green lipped mussels to the second ingredient, and losing the wheat germ and wheat gluten completely. In their place, and at a reduced inclusion rate, add some aquatic plant matter, some various algae, even a dash of spirulina would be nice.
And Matthew, unless you are feeding some rather high energy, cold water species of fish, in a massive system where they can burn these high energy calories off, 14% min crude fat content, which means the typical analysis would be more like 16%, or higher, is not a good idea. Not good at all. Sturgeon require higher fat content, much like a rainbow trout or salmon, which I am guess you are not keeping. Warm water species, even the high energy species, should max out at the 10% mark. Even that is pushing it, especially if one overfeeds.
I'm assuming that you were introduced to this food while working at Pisces? The owners father, Peter, originally brought this food in several decades ago. I think he had an almost exclusive deal with sera at the time, they are one of the few stores in AB that carry it. At least they used to be. Just like all store owners, including Cory, they market, and sell, whatever pays the bills. If they get a better deal on food xyz, and it sells for them, that's what they push. Nothing personal, it's just business.
So back on topic …..
sera Sturgeon Granules
Ingredients
fish meal, wheat flour, wheat germ, wheat gluten, brewers yeast, Ca-caseinate, fish oil, mannan oligosaccharides (0.4%), green-lipped mussel, garlic.
Guaranteed analysis
Min. Crude Protein 46.6%, Min. Crude Fat 13.9%, Max. Crude Fiber 5.5%, Max. Moisture 6.0%, Max. Crude Ash 9.1%.
Sera has been around forever, IMO is very similar to Tetra, both German companies that use some rather questionable lower quality raw ingredients, while stacking the terrestrial based plant matter. As an example, in this formula the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th ingredients listed by dry weight is WHEAT. Add all 3 ingredients up, and wheat would more than likely become the main ingredient listed on a dry matter basis. Not cool, especially for a fish that is a carnivore. Ingredient splitting is an old trick going back several decades, and as much as I love German technology, when you look closely at their fish foods they are all typically designed in this manner. Tropical brand is another brand that IMO is very similar to Tetra, and sera. Their EU ingredient list accountability is sketchy at best, and raw ingredients such as "cereals" don't pass the sniff test.
So in this formula, instead of using things like Calcium caseinate, to boost the protein levels in this formula, how about adding more fish meal, moving the green lipped mussels to the second ingredient, and losing the wheat germ and wheat gluten completely. In their place, and at a reduced inclusion rate, add some aquatic plant matter, some various algae, even a dash of spirulina would be nice.
And Matthew, unless you are feeding some rather high energy, cold water species of fish, in a massive system where they can burn these high energy calories off, 14% min crude fat content, which means the typical analysis would be more like 16%, or higher, is not a good idea. Not good at all. Sturgeon require higher fat content, much like a rainbow trout or salmon, which I am guess you are not keeping. Warm water species, even the high energy species, should max out at the 10% mark. Even that is pushing it, especially if one overfeeds.
I'm assuming that you were introduced to this food while working at Pisces? The owners father, Peter, originally brought this food in several decades ago. I think he had an almost exclusive deal with sera at the time, they are one of the few stores in AB that carry it. At least they used to be. Just like all store owners, including Cory, they market, and sell, whatever pays the bills. If they get a better deal on food xyz, and it sells for them, that's what they push. Nothing personal, it's just business.
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