Why are platinum bichir not farmed?

[PartyHacks]

Maybe you heard that if you breed a platinum and regular brown bichir, then all of their babies will all look normal brown, but they will have the hidden recessive platinum gene in them. So if you breed those normal looking but hidden platinum gene babies back to the platinum parent, then half the babies will look normal and half will be platinum. Then if you breed those platinum babies to each other or to the original platinum parent, then 100% of the babies will be platinum. The platinum gene in fish is definitely classed as recessive, and that's what animal breeders do to get a recessive gene trait that they want to keep and breed, if they are starting with only one specimen of an animal with the recessive gene they want.

Well for example then I have a platinum alligator gar. Your telling me if I get another one, then 100% of babies will be platinum?

This feels not possible or I would not have paid $800 for it., and people would be breeding platinums like crazy. But perhaps not many people breed them so maybe you are on to something idk!

May Hao can let us know for sure.

 

[Amelia123]

Nope, that's not what I said. If you use that breeding method mentioned above, then by the THIRD generation you would get platinum babies.

 

[PartyHacks]

Nope, that's not what I said. If you use that breeding method mentioned above, then by the THIRD generation you would get platinum babies.

What is different from just breeding 2 platinums together and the method above? Sorry, I am just very curious and this is interesting.

I understand the tables of dominant and recessive genes, Xx and all that..... However, when I think of it in those terms, I come to the conclusion that those that express the platinum gene would not be "carriers" of the recessive gene, but instead, they would express it(?) as xx.....

So if you bred 2 xx xx (2 platinums), then why would you have to go to the trouble of what you said above?

I will ask in a facebook group tonight as I am very curious.

Thanks for your input, seriously. I am just trying to understand is all <3

 

[Polyaddict86]

I think even both parents are 3rd gen platinum, they will still carry a original genes in them and more likely you wont get all platinum fry.

 

[twentyleagues]

Well for example then I have a platinum alligator gar. Your telling me if I get another one, then 100% of babies will be platinum?

This feels not possible or I would not have paid $800 for it., and people would be breeding platinums like crazy. But perhaps not many people breed them so maybe you are on to something idk!

May Hao can let us know for sure.

It doesn't work like that.

Even if you get a third gen platinum and bred it back to the grandparent with the recessive gene regular coloration is still the dominant gene and you'll still get the majority of babies as normal color. The chances are greater to get more of the platinum colors but so is the possibility to get undesirable traits. So you have to think about being selective in the breeding process.

Bichirs aren't guppies and alot of the time it takes hormones to get them to breed. If the breeders get a platinum it's going to generate a lot of money to sell it instead of keeping it and hopefully breeding out more. Ever heard the term a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?

In the last 10 years or so some of the asian breeders have been working with the patterns and trying to breed more "exotic" versions but that's a relatively short time span. Maybe 10 or 20 years from now there will be more exotic patterns and colors available. Right now alot of the breeders of bichirs are probably happy to breed sellable babies. If one of a batch of 100 or so is platinum they are going to sell it for more or as much as all the rest of the babies in that batch.

 

[Polyaddict86]

It doesn't work like that.

Even if you get a third gen platinum and bred it back to the grandparent with the recessive gene regular coloration is still the dominant gene and you'll still get the majority of babies as normal color. The chances are greater to get more of the platinum colors but so is the possibility to get undesirable traits. So you have to think about being selective in the breeding process.

Bichirs aren't guppies and alot of the time it takes hormones to get them to breed. If the breeders get a platinum it's going to generate a lot of money to sell it instead of keeping it and hopefully breeding out more. Ever heard the term a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?

In the last 10 years or so some of the asian breeders have been working with the patterns and trying to breed more "exotic" versions but that's a relatively short time span. Maybe 10 or 20 years from now there will be more exotic patterns and colors available. Right now alot of the breeders of bichirs are probably happy to breed sellable babies. If one of a batch of 100 or so is platinum they are going to sell it for more or as much as all the rest of the babies in that batch.

Very well said?

 

[Amelia123]

When you get a third generation platinum, don't breed it back to the brown grandparent with the hidden recessive platinum gene. Breed it back to the actual platinum grandparent instead.

 

[Amelia123]

I think even both parents are 3rd gen platinum, they will still carry a original genes in them and more likely you wont get all platinum fry.

If you breed two platinums together, then all the babies will be platinum, and there is no dominant gene present in them anywhere at all; it is gone from inside them and does not exist. It works the very exact same way as blue eyed humans. If two blue eyes humans have kids, then 100% of their kids will all have blue eyes, and it is totally impossible for them to naturally have a kid with brown eyes.

 

[altums85]

Either the market is controlled so plats remains supreme premium $$$ like said above

Or

Plats are still rare even if both parents are plats.

Pick 1

 

[Polyaddict86]

If you breed two platinums together, then all the babies will be platinum, and there is no dominant gene present in them anywhere at all; it is gone from inside them and does not exist. It works the very exact same way as blue eyed humans. If two blue eyes humans have kids, then 100% of their kids will all have blue eyes, and it is totally impossible for them to naturally have a kid with brown eyes.

You talking about eyes not skin color or morphing..