How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

[skjl47]

We are awash in disinformation and misinformation that's aimed at disrupting our response to COVID-19 and otherwise hobbling us. All I keep saying is that we should listen to the experts on these issues.

COVID and polio are different. The polio virus is carried in feces and primarily infects young children after they touch contaminated water or dirt and then put their fingers in their mouths. From there, the virus can invade the brain and spinal cord, leading to paralysis and, in some cases, death. Adults are less at risk of infection, because of less exposure to the sewage and a greater likelihood of being vaccinated.

That's entirely different than a respiratory virus like COVID-19.

Hello; Way to go off on a tangent and also to do some misinformation of your own. Given the choice I will take covid19 over polio every time. The common cold is also a respiratory virus and is also a corona virus by the way. Covid19 is much worse for some than the common cold. Covid19 is much less of a problem than the common cold for some folks . Many had asymptomatic infections with the covid19 virus, they did not even know that had been infected.

Back when I was a child there was not a polio vaccine for a long time. Not for adults and not for children. We lived thru it without lockdowns or school closures.

 

[skjl47]

A coronavirus epidemic hit East Asia 20,000 years ago, new study shows (msn.com)

Hello; Early on in the pandemic some including myself made statements that during most viral outbreaks there were parts of the human population who had some sort of natural resistance or immunity to even a new pathogen. Not the sort of immunity from surviving the infection. I think I posted about this over a year ago.
This is not a new idea. That sort of thing has been known of before. In other words some people just would not get sick from the new virus. Perhaps the example often used has been the cowpox milk maids would get that was later linked to them not catching smallpox. (hope my recall is correct on that.)

Anyway with new techniques there is a notion humans may have faced a corona virus many years ago in some parts of the world. 20,000 years is well before rapid transportation so the outbreaks likely would have been more isolated and not wide spread like today.

Interesting read any way.

 

[RD.]

Having vaccinated folks continue to mask is something like having people put sunscreen on indoors. It makes no sense medically.

It makes complete sense, medically. Being vaccinated, once, twice, or 10 times, does not equate to a guarantee of lifetime immunity. You can still get the virus, a vaccine is not fool proof. The key is - if fully vaccinated, you typically won't get very sick, nor die. We see this in hospitals etc, where care staff are exposed to heavy viral loads on a regular basis. Nurses, doctors, etc, that are fully vaccinated against covid, can & sometimes do get covid, but typically the symptoms are minor. A cough, sore throat, that passes in a few days. A vaccine alone is not the answer to stopping transmission & the spread of covid.

Viruses also change, mutate, such as the Delta variant of concern, that is now becoming a real concern, globally - and which is why the vast majority of health facilities world-wide continue wearing masks. We do this not to protect US - but to protect those that are more susceptible to this virus. The weak, the elderly, the immune compromised. I have had both Pfizer vaccines for many months now, yet I still get tested weekly, not for my well being, but for those around me that are not as strong.

Most at risk, and least at risk, are easy terms to banter about when they aren't attached to a name, or face, of another human being.

 

[dogofwar]

Some clear, well-supported information:

Federal health officials find vaccine benefits outweigh small cardiac risk for teens, young adults

Data presented to advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention adds to recent findings, most notably from Israel, of rare cases of myocarditis — inflammation of the heart muscle — predominantly in males ages 12 to 39, who experience symptoms after the second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Most cases have been mild and have taken place several days to a week after the second shot, officials said. Chest pain is the most common symptom. Patients generally recover from symptoms and do well.

There have been 1,226 reports of myocarditis out of about 300 million mRNA doses administered in the United States, as of June 11, according to Tom Shimabukuro, a CDC vaccine safety official. Of those, 267 were reported after the first dose and 827 after the second, and 132 reports did not indicate which dose.

“Especially with the troubling Delta variant increasingly circulating, and more readily impacting younger people, the risks of being unvaccinated are far greater than any rare side effects from the vaccines,” the statement said.

The CDC and the Food and Drug Administration plan to do a three-month follow-up of these cases, officials said. Both agencies are also updating their fact sheets for providers and patients to reflect the additional data about the condition.

“The choice to avoid an mRNA vaccine in order to avoid myocarditis ignores the fact that both covid and MIS-C [a rare inflammatory condition diagnosed in some children after covid infections] cause myocarditis, and far more commonly,” said Paul A. Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “There are no risk-free choices.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/23/covid-vaccines-myocarditis-young-people/

 

[Ogertron3000]

No way, no how I'd be a salesman coming into contact with lots of vaccinated and unvaccinated people without being vaccinated myself.

This is an example of the complacency we have here, I’m as guilty as anyone but when we go for months at a time without any new Covid cases popping up it’s easy to think it’s not urgent. They only changed the rule here about. 2 weeks who that 40+ age group an get the vaccine, before that it was only 50+ and essential workers.

There has just been anew outbreak in Sydney and after their govt saying “no lockdowns “ and criticising our state for locking down
they have just gone into a 2 week lockdown that will most likely be extended. Unfortunately it’s the best way to stop the spread quickly. It’s not good for business or enjoyment of life but if you lo kdown early enough it does work.

it’s winter here so I assume that is more favourable for the virus to spread so who knows whata coming but we still have had a good 9 months of Covid free freedom and still going so far.

 

[dogofwar]

It's really remarkable how different the COVID situation (and approach) has been between the US and Australia. It's a big deal when you have ANY cases.

Because of vaccination and summer, our cases are way down but we're still having somewhere between 11,000 and 15,000 per day. And 300-500 deaths per day - so basically a a 737 crash killing all of its passengers per day (which, I guess, is better than ten 737s per day...)

This is an example of the complacency we have here, I’m as guilty as anyone but when we go for months at a time without any new Covid cases popping up it’s easy to think it’s not urgent. They only changed the rule here about. 2 weeks who that 40+ age group an get the vaccine, before that it was only 50+ and essential workers.

There has just been anew outbreak in Sydney and after their govt saying “no lockdowns “ and criticising our state for locking down
they have just gone into a 2 week lockdown that will most likely be extended. Unfortunately it’s the best way to stop the spread quickly. It’s not good for business or enjoyment of life but if you lo kdown early enough it does work.

it’s winter here so I assume that is more favourable for the virus to spread so who knows whata coming but we still have had a good 9 months of Covid free freedom and still going so far.

 

[skjl47]

ust moments after I made my post here a little while ago there was a news report that those fully vaccinated do have an even higher level of immunity than previously thought. My recall of the numbers may be faulty but it was that in 60 some millions of the vaccinated only 6000 have tested positive for the virus. Of those 6000 almost all had very mild infections or no symptoms at all. Even that the vaccine is effective for the common variants going around.

Some more on the vaccinated or naturally recovered testing positive. Here is my take. Say I have the flu and recover or just have an effective flu shot. I will be immune for a serious infection, but will be able to be invaded by the same flu virus again. Say I were to kiss an actively infected person. I would get some viral load into my system. The virus would try to set up house keeping in it's favorite target cells as it always does. However the body will be ready to deal with it either with some antibodies, T-cells and such active in the blood or by making more of these virus fighters.
I would technically be re-infected and a test could be positive for the flu virus if I were given such a test at the right time. However my natural immunity would be well on the way to stopping the virus. The virus might damage a few cells before it was stopped, but it would be stopped long before I noticed any symptoms of any merit.
I figure the tales of those naturally recovered from covid or the vaccinated being re-infected are likely part of the way I just described it. A vaccine or natural immunity is not a protection like a bio-hazard suit which keeps a pathogen out of our bodies. It is more a way our bodies have of dealing with the virus which may get in again from time to time. The virus gets in if someone sneezes on me, but long before it can set up housekeeping my immune system defeats it.

Hello; I posted the above some weeks ago. I know the current word from some is even the vaccinated need to keep wearing a mask. There are reports of vaccinated testing positive. Thing is so far they are not getting very sick, if they have symptoms at all. Even those posting about still wearing a mask are saying the illness is mild to almost no symptoms. To me this means the immune system is still ready to fight off the virus and does so long before any new exposure can get dug in.

It also seem so far the variants are not defeating the vaccines yet. That will be the next stage if some mutation of the virus is so different that it is no longer recognized by the immune system at all. There may be a time when we start all over again.
However any new mutation will not have the head start covid19 did. People are looking for it. It will not have snuck up on us and be wide spread around the world like the first covid19 strain did.
For another thing there are several clinical treatments in play. Lots of ventallitors around. Doctors have experience. We know that being indoors with people is a risky thing. That being outside is one of the safest places to be as long as you are not in a close huddle with someone sick.

We know to wash our hands. By the way I never used any hand sanitizer at all. I do not want to generated resistant bacteria. I used dispenser filled with dawn dish detergent to wash my hands. The detergent will damage the lipid ( fat) layer of pathogens.

 

[RD.]

I know the current word from some is even the vaccinated need to keep wearing a mask. There are reports of vaccinated testing positive. Thing is so far they are not getting very sick, if they have symptoms at all. Even those posting about still wearing a mask are saying the illness is mild to almost no symptoms. To me this means the immune system is still ready to fight off the virus and does so long before any new exposure can get dug in.

A person that tests positive, typically does so because they are exhibiting symptoms. That's why they get tested! Almost no symptoms, sounds like a little bit of second hand smoke. There is no such thing, when it comes to the spreading of a virus. The vast majority of those that have been fully vaccinated do not become seriously ill, or die, but they sure as hell still pack a covid payload. This is exactly how this pandemic started, asymptomatic people spreading it without even knowing they were ill. Poo poo the masks out of ignorance all you like, but the reality is a quality mask that is worn properly helps contain at least some of these germs from being spread to others.

 

[RD.]

And seeing as we are now quoting ourselves, here's one of my comments from May 23/2020 .....


The curve of infections hasn't flattened because it's gone through society, or due to any form of herd immunity, it's flattened because as a society we've distanced ourselves, which as everyone knows is the key to keeping this particular virus from spreading. Covid-19 and sars while similar in some aspects, are in other ways not at all the same. The greatest difference is in the manner in which covid spreads, compared to sars. With covid, many people don't even know they are infected, and in many instances these are the same people congregating sans masks, or improper wearing of masks, shedding the virus with every breath, every word spoken, never mind a cough, or a sneeze.

The second wave is not only coming, it's already started.

 

[skjl47]

The vast majority of those that have been fully vaccinated do not become seriously ill, or die, but they sure as hell still pack a covid payload.

Hello; I cannot at this time dispute the amount of covid payload a vaccinated person might when exposed the the virus a second or third time. Since the vaccine sets up a complex immune reaction in the body my take is the virus does not have a chance to infect many cells. Maybe the test is sensitive enough to detect small enough amounts of virus trapped in the nasal linings a person may breath in and before infecting cells. There may be a difference between having some virus in the nose and shedding it from infected cells
But the discussion is pointless in places where folks have access to a vaccine. The key point is the vaccinated do not get very sick, if at all. Mostly not sick at all is what I have been reading. To me this indicates the body immunity is working. So in places where a vaccine is available it becomes the choice of individuals to take it or not. An unvaccinated person is at risk but neither you nor your vaccinated friends have much to worry about. In places where the vaccines are not yet common the story is different.

Poo poo the masks out of ignorance all you like, but the reality is a quality mask that is worn properly helps contain at least some of these germs from being spread to others.

Hello; Yes a QUALITY MASK worn properly can help some. The fact is most all the masks the average person can have are not quality and few people are seen to be wearing them properly. I have observed this as have most others. Too many noses stuck out. Too many gaps. Even the best masks allow some virus to pass. The deal with the masks is once it became known the virus has an aerosol component, they became very much less effective. They are decent at stopping sneeze or cough droplets but not the virus carried on simple breath. The virus can also enter the eyes.

( note- try to call me ignorant in a sideways manner again and I will report you again as I did in the past. Keep it civil. )