Vegan /vegetarian fish food

[Savethemall]

Yours is not a theory. You're hoping to find others of like mind in order to justify and defend the maltreatment of animals in your care. Among clear thinkers you are unlikely to find wide acceptance... or in this instance, any. I personally would prefer to hear strong language than to listen to someone blather on about how they plan to intentionally undernourish a pet and are looking for others that enjoy the same perversion.

Your premise is irritating and you've made no progress. I would be willing to gamble that 100% of whatever else you have to say would not meet my minimum standard. Welcome to my ignore list. Population: you.

Did you read anything I wrote?? I said clearly that I WONT change theyr diet UNLESS I will find info supporting this. Am I ignorant because im asking questions? Beacuse I'm trying to check myself before I act?
And I'm not trying to find "others" I'm trying to find INFO.

 

[Hybridfish7]

Did you read anything I wrote?? I said clearly that I WONT change theyr diet UNLESS I will find info supporting this. Am I ignorant because im asking questions? Beacuse I'm trying to check myself before I act?
And I'm not trying to find "others" I'm trying to find INFO.

And people have been giving you info, but you've been ignoring it because you want to hear something that gives you the green light to convert insectivorous and piscivorous species to vegan diets.

 

[SilverArowanaBoi]

Ok...this is an interesting conversation...I shall throw my two cents in.

I 100% agree with what has been said up to this point. Fish cannot be fed a vegan diet when they are carnivores or omnivores. Come up with as much evidence supporting your case as you like, but it's just fact. If the fish are carnivores or omnivores, they will perish under a vegan diet. This is the same with cats and dogs. Can they handle a diet like this? Yes, but they will die sooner. You can look up many reputable articles that prove that. If you try to change nature, it won't work because nature is nature. Humans and animals were created for specific diets. If humans and animals go off course of those diets, there will be consequences no matter how "wrong" or "immoral" it feels to eat these diets.

Humans are omnivores, and we are hardy creatures. We can eat a lot of different things and be perfectly fine. If you pursue a vegan diet, that's your choice. But in time, since we are omnivores and we are made to eat meat as well as greens, we will become unhealthy as we will lack the nutrients that meat provides on a vegan diet (and it can't be supplemented by pills). Sure, vegan diets can help us lose weight, among other benefits, but after a while, it will become harmful for us in as many ways as there are benefits.

So, to answer the OP's question, what you are looking for is harmful to the fish. Stop trying to force nature to comply with your moral standards. Your dogs, cats, and fish don't care about your moral standards; only you care about them. They simply want to eat what they were created to eat, not be forced to eat a diet that is inappropriate for them.

One last thing: you say that you are "rescuing" these animals, but what you say is not what you practice. Maybe they did come from bad homes where they were poorly taken care of, but you aren't doing them any favors when you take them from one bad home and put them in your home where you feed them inappropriate food and consider feeding them inappropriate food because of your moral standards. They might as well be left in the home they were in originally.

I hope you read all of these people's comments and seriously soak in what they are saying.

 

[SilverArowanaBoi]

Can we please talk a bit nicer? You can disagree with me all you want but calling my theory or opinions Bullshit is kinda unpleasant..

I think that she's saying what we all want to say and in the manner we want to say it but aren't in order to try and nicely persuade you away from your views on vegan food for carnivorous and omnivorous animals.

 

[Hybridfish7]

I think that she's saying what we all want to say and in the manner we want to say it but aren't in order to try and nicely persuade you away from your views on vegan food for carnivorous and omnivorous animals.

I mean if you heard something to the effect of "how long can I starve my kid for" would your initial reaction be civil and persuasive

 

[Sinister-Kisses]

No, I can not/will not "be nice" about someone committing animal abuse. Ever. Though for the record, my comments thus far have been very civil compared to what I'd like to say and really think.

You've received plenty of "nice" feedback and you're ignoring all of it. I'm very much a blunt type of person, and I'm certainly not going to sugar coat things for you here. What you are wanting to do is nothing more than animal abuse, period. Feeding dogs and ESPECIALLY cats (obligate carnivores) a vegan diet is gross abuse of power and flat out animal abuse. Doing so with non herbivore fish is ANIMAL ABUSE.

You're not a rescuer, you're part of the problem and what they need rescuing from.

I have zero problem with humans who chose FOR THEMSELVES to go vegan. Not opposed to that at all. But you make that choice for YOU. Animals in your care should always have their needs and their best interests put before your own projected ideals. Always.

 

[jjohnwm]

I did a little research looking for anything close to science and I stumbled onto veterinariadigital.com. They claim to be the Magazine of veterinary information, medicine and zootechnics, specialized in the poultry, pig, ruminant and aquaculture sectors Here is an article on just the topic at hand.

That's an interesting site, thanks for the link.

Ok... I'm a vegan and I know personally dozens of vegans. From all the vegans ai know, some of them are vegans over 20 years ,I cant think of one that is taking supplements.

You don't say! I never would have thunk it.

Everything I've read about veganism flies in the face of what you are claiming. The vast majority of them apparently drop out within a year or two, very few remaining in the cult for very long. Those that are indeed long-term hard-core rabbits will not receive a complete set of basic nutritional elements without artificial supplementation; apparently a few claim to do so but they are spending a great deal of time and effort carefully monitoring and tweaking their diets to that end. So...I simply don't buy it. Little you have said up till now has me leaning towards believing you.

And about the natural claim.. it's kind of funny isn't it? We live in our apartments, driving our cars to go ice skating in a mall in the middle of the summer, eating ice cream that has artificial colours created in a lab in it, that came out from a metal,electrical machine, going to the movies,flying with jets, breathing toxic gasses that we creat daily .. but all falls to eating an unnatural diet(did I mention the lab made ice cream?)...

Is it funny? We live in an age in which it is essentially impossible to live a life that is close to nature...although certainly many of us do try our best to do so. Must we breathe polluted air? We have little choice or control over that. Must we drive ourselves to work? Well, many of us do, if we are to continue to work and support ourselves.

But, there are at least some simple ways to stay close to nature. Eating a fairly natural diet is an easy one. That means eating both plant and animal matter. So for you to ridicule the unnatural aspects of the world over which we have no control...and then to compound that by making a conscious choice to eat an unnatural vegan diet when it is much easier to eat a more natural one consisting of both meat and plant matter...and then especially to extend that to include animals unfortunate enough to be in your care...can only be described as...wait for it...BS!

I mean if you heard something to the effect of "how long can I starve my kid for" would your initial reaction be civil and persuasive.

Good point. I personally have gotten very weary of reading questions about the absolute minimum size tank for this fish species, or the absolute maximum number of fish that can be shoe-horned into a particular tank, or the minimum amount of turnover rate or filtration or...well, you get the idea. Just the other day somebody was questioning how long it was safe to starve their fish.

Really, how different is this new line of nonsense question?

 

[Savethemall]

I think I've already mentioned like 5 times that I'm not feeding anyone a vegan diet. I've just explained that scientific research has proven that dogs and humans can thrive on vegan diets. I'm a vegan, though I dont feed my cats vegan diet because there isn't enough data in my opinion to say its healthy. And so with my fish. You keep saying I'm abusing but all I did was asking a question.

 

[esoxlucius]

The negative reactions you have had thus far, even though you haven't actually changed your fishes diets yet, just show what a hot potato this is.

You say that athletes and bodybuilders have changed to vegan diets with astonishing results in performance. I'm well aware of that, I've seen the documentary which you've obviously seen too. Admittedly it was quite an eye opener.

But the point you're missing is that those athletes made a decision for THEMSELVES. They alone chose to go on those diets, they weren't forced against their wishes.

On the other hand, YOU are doing "research" on behalf of your rescue animals with a view to rewriting the text books on their dietary requirements. The rescue animals have just got to go along with it!!

This is the reason you are receiving dogs abuse.

 

[jjohnwm]

The negative reactions you have had thus far, even though you haven't actually changed your fishes diets yet, just show what a hot potato this is.

You say that athletes and bodybuilders have changed to vegan diets with astonishing results in performance. I'm well aware of that, I've seen the documentary which you've obviously seen too. Admittedly it was quite an eye opener.

But the point you're missing is that those athletes made a decision for THEMSELVES. They alone chose to go on those diets, they weren't forced against their wishes.

On the other hand, YOU are doing "research" on behalf of your rescue animals with a view to rewriting the text books on their dietary requirements. The rescue animals have just got to go along with it!!

This is the reason you are receiving dogs abuse.

This ^, exactly.

"I was just asking! I'm not actually going to do it! Look how good and noble I am! Be nice to me!"

Again, BS. You asked for the vegan fish food so that you could buy it and feed it to your fish, plain and simple. You claim that you are not subjecting your cat to this fate until someone "proves" to you it works. Your wording implies that you are already dragging your dog down the yellow brick road with you, and your cat will soon follow as soon as that "proof" appears. This upsets people who care for animals, and you have heard over and over that mere survival does not constitute "thriving"...a distinction which you fail to acknowledge or address.

You can insert all the hypotheticals into your question that you want; nobody believes that you aren't champing at the bit to do this. When you find a source that says it's good...that will spell the beginning of a huge decline in the quality of life of those unfortunate animals. The scary part is that you will find what you want somewhere on the internet...there's plenty of "proof" for things like the Flat Earth Theory if you look for it.