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It’s pretty offensive and narrow minded to make a blank statement such as that. I deployed 3 times with the 10th mountain to Afghanistan and I have an emotional support dog Riggs, my German Shepherd. Count yourself lucky that you don’t have the need for one.
It's a rigged system. Pay $50 for an on-line certificate in CA and you can have a dog wherever you live or visit (hotels). No more "no pets allowed".
Any breed. Any size. Doesn't matter.
For every legit "emotional support animal" people there are thousands that abuse this.
I'm livi'n it.
No, I stand by my statement.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
-LBD
 
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For every legit "emotional support animal" people there are thousands that abuse this.
I'm livi'n it.
Hello; Such is the unfortunate truth. I see it myself. To point out the abuse out should not be a dig toward those who earned any and all support available. My father was a WWII vet. It would have been good to have such things back in the day. The jerks who have a "pretend" support animal are the flaw in the system.

I tried to report such a person in Kroger's one day. The manager said he could not do anything about it.
 
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It's a rigged system. Pay $50 for an on-line certificate in CA and you can have a dog wherever you live or visit (hotels). No more "no pets allowed".
Any breed. Any size. Doesn't matter.
For every legit "emotional support animal" people there are thousands that abuse this.
I'm livi'n it.
No, I stand by my statement.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
-LBD
I won’t beat what is obviously a horse near death but that is exactly the narrow minded answer I’d expect. I’m certain you must know all the intimate details of each and every person with your air quotation marked emotional support animals, especially since you’re living it as you say…it takes all kinds…

Some people will understand why I named my “emotional support animal” Riggs and if you don’t then count yourself lucky you don’t have those type of thoughts…
 
I'm thinking he is a "lethal weapon"?

I'd never question a combat vet's legitimate entitlement to a support animal. Hell, I have no such background and don't want or need a licence or certificate or whatever, but I consider every dog I've ever owned an emotional support.

For a period of time when I was constantly flying in and out of the local airport for work, there was actually a lady who spent her day simply walking around the terminal building with a big beautiful friendly dog, freely allowing anyone to interact with the big galoot as a sort of "traveller's soul refresher". She was sponsored by the airport, didn't just wander in off the street.

I also recall a program at a big job site in B.C. which basically bussed anyone who was interested into the small nearby town on our infrequent days off, taking us directly to the local animal shelter and allowing us to take one dog apiece out for a few hours of on-leash exercise. It was wonderful for the people and the dogs.

When my father was finally forced to move into a nursing home in his final year due to a need for constant medical attention, I would visit him after work most days and would always stop at home to pick up his dog, who had come to live with us. Every visit was a joyful reunion for the both of them, and I was always pleased to see how happy many of the residents were for the chance to visit with the dog; some of those folks knew the dog by name but only came to know my dad through his association with her! That place was spotlessly clean at all times, lots of medical gear rolling around, everything antiseptically clean...and yet they were completely open to visits by well-behaved animals kept under control. I guess they understood the benefits of those visits were difficult to quantify but very real. That was about 20 years ago; not sure if or how it may have changed since then.

Yes, I understand that there are probably people who abuse the idea, as is the case with any rule. But the rule can only be abused because it exists. I dunno...perhaps the answer is to have very strict limits on where we can be told that we cannot take a dog. Everything should be legal unless there's a good reason to make it illegal. Sadly, today there are far too many people running around who think that everything in life should be and is illegal unless we are expressly told otherwise.
 
I didn't question a combat veteran having an emotional support animal. This is the exact kind of demonizing that is all too common today.
I don't share a view so I am dispassionate.
I live in an area that has thousands of dogs. All small apartments or condos.
I live in a building that is filled with dogs now. Most of the "new" dogs are large. Huskies, pit bulls, even greyhounds.
The HOA attorneys say "Don't touch this".
This isn't fair to people with legitimate needs. Everybody gets' a handicap placard and all of a sudden handicap parking spaces fill up.
Etc etc. I guess it's my age. I grew up with rules, enforcement and clean cities. The good ole days.
Today, dogs in restaurants, supermarkets....
I love dogs but enough is enough. Plus it's not fair to the dogs.
We all get to enjoy your support animal everywhere we go. I don't think I need to interview all the animal owners to know what is going on.
"you're a horrible person! Because you disagree with me!" LOL
And if this is the "short sighted" response you expect, well I'm not surprised a bit.
 
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Today, dogs in restaurants, supermarkets....
Hello; I have seen genuine service dogs with a vest of some sort. While I do not know all the details, I am fairly sure the dog has been screened and trained. I do not know if an emotional support animal has any required training. Would be nice to know they are at least screened for aggression. But legit service & ESA are not the rub. It is all the folks who have ordinary pets.
They see a vet or some other legit ESA in a restaurant or store and decide to bring in their own dog. It is become a mockery. Money will eventually sort this out but will take a few expensive lawsuits. Some untrained pet will bite a customer, and the store will be sued. I plan such if I get bitten. Take the dog owner to court as well.

Saw on the news recently the outcome of a trial. A parent was found guilty in court for what his child did. It was just a brief news scroll, so I do not have the details. The child shot some people was the crux of the case.
 
Wow, can we go anymore off topic? From a thread on an aquaculture feed ingredient, to a couple personal rants about service/support animals?

The Lounge is still open gents. This is precisely why threads here get closed.
 
It took some serious digging, but I found what I was looking for regarding Black Soldier Fly Larvae, and its use in aquaculture.


I wouldn't be so certain of that. Some perhaps, but I don't think most. Other novel sources of protein have most come and gone, such as pea protein. For the same reason as other terrestrial based plants, it's inclusion rate is limited when feeding fish. These novel sources of protein are specifically designed to lower feed costs, by reducing and/or replacing fish protein. But at the end of the day, nothing truly replaces the protein, fat, and growth enhancing substances found in fish. As always, what will drive the pet trade market will be what consumers demand, and what they are willing to pay. With regards to feeding fish, seafood such as fish, krill, etc will always be nutritionally superior, but at some point in the future the cost of those ingredients may outweigh their nutrient profile with some portions of this hobby.

When presented using names such as "bug bites" the purists believe they are feeding insects (Black Soldier Fly) to their fish, when in reality they are feeding BSF larvae, along with a mix of potatoes. peas, wheat, etc. The nutritional composition of BSF larvae depend at least partially on the composition of their feeding medium, so what those larvae are fed on the BSF farm will partially reflect what their nutritional profile is. Obviously this will vary, as will the maximum inclusion rate in feed among various fish species. See below:

www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/6/10/91/pdf
"BSFL meal and oil are already considered to be an animal-grade alternative to fish meal and fish oil used to feed carnivorous fish and in other animal diets, due to their high protein and lipid contents
even when fed plant-based waste streams [65]. The importance of fish meal and oil in aquaculture is well known, but competition with demands for fish for human consumption and depleted fisheries,
among other factors, have brought the supplies of fish meal and oil down and costs up, leading fisheries to search for alternatives such as vegetable oils [66]. BSFL can accumulate lipids in their bodies if fed an appropriately lipid-rich diet, and are generally more palatable to the fish than vegetable oils. Omega-3 fatty-acid-enhanced pre-pupae are produced when the larval diet is supplemented with fish offal [67]. Such “enriched” pre-pupae are suitable fish foods, producing no significant differences
in fish growth and vision development when compared to normal fish meal for feeding the rainbow trout, Oncorhynchus mykiss [68]. Sensory analysis of trout fillets found no differences among fish fed
fish meal, BSFL, or enriched BSFL diets [68]. Another case in rainbow trout recommended defatted BSFL supplementation in the diet of up to 40% without any negative effects on fish physiology or
fillet physical quality, but noted a decrease in desirable polyunsaturated fats [69]. Another study on rainbow trout placed the limit at 15% BSFL in the diet for unaffected fish growth [70]. A study on juvenile Jian carp (Cyprinus carpio var. Jian) found no difference between BSFL oil and soybean oil on growth performance, but decreased carp lipid deposition as the proportion of BSFL oil in the diet increased [66]. In the case of the turbot, Psetta maxima, although BSFL meals had relatively
low palatability and nutritive value, the use of BSFL was still recommended as a feasible, partial replacement for fish meal because it was reared on local greenhouse wastes [65]. Experiments with
African catfish, Clarias gariepinus, found total BSFL substitution of fish meal in diets (where it made up only 25%) had no effect in terms of growth rate and nutrient utilization indices, so BSFL were recommended as an alternative due to their lower cost [71]. Ultimately BSFL’s ability to efficiently produce protein-rich edible biomass from potentially protein-poor organic wastes has led many authors to conclude that BSFL can contribute meaningfully to sustainable aquaculture as partial or total meal
replacement [72–74], including for aquatic invertebrates such as shrimp [75]. BSFL has also been used in poultry feed as a partial replacement for maize or soy"

For commercial fisheries this makes sense, where feed costs can make up as much as 40% of a farms operating costs, but for the average hobbyist with only a few glass boxes, and who plans on keeping their fish for several years, or longer, looking to spare costs isn't typically on the same level as a large scale commercial operation. That, and there is almost no data to support the optimum inclusion rate with ornamental species of fish. I think at this point at best BSFL can be a partial replacement to fish meal. The key will be to pay attention to what follows the "main" ingredient in these foods, so as they are not just a low cost filler feed, with a dash of BFSL.
 
Wow, can we go anymore off topic? From a thread on an aquaculture feed ingredient, to a couple personal rants about service/support animals?

The Lounge is still open gents. This is precisely why threads here get closed.
Hello; Off topic to be sure. Most threads drift off topic. Here is a thing which is troubling concerning threads being closed. While I agree some members do use poor choices of words at times, I do not see the need to close a thread. Just deal with the offender.

That said I have been on here since 2011. The closing a thread rather than police individuals has been common enough. I even have communications with Mods telling me how they can pretty much do things as they wish. Such may be true and if so, should mean they are not restricted to simply closing a thread. Closing a thread is apparently an option among other options.

I take care to post within the rules with regard to language and other such parameters. I figure a worthwhile point can be expressed in a civil manner. What sometimes appears to happen is two or more members discuss a concept they disagree about within the site rules. If the individuals are posting within the rules, then closing a thread appears to indicate a MOD is using unlimited power to quiet a view they happen to dislike.

A discussion about dogs is not forbidden by the rules as far as I know. No politics, religion or guns alluded to in any way so far.
 
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