125 gallon salvini tank mates

[BC in SK]

A breeding pair of jags,6 Jack Dempseys, several FHs convicts and Firemouths plus catfish for 4 years in a 120?That's incredible.

I don't think it is all that incredible that these fish survive for maybe 4 years.
Something is definitely kept down. And I doubt most of these fish come anywhere near achieving their potential development. A severe lack of space, add to that frank's idea of filling the tank with excessive decor and essentially taking even more space away ---there could be a status quo and nobody with the opportunity or position to 'rock the boat'.
Add to that almost certain inferior water quality. That in itself sometimes makes some fish less healthy and less aggressive (if all these fish achieve their potential it's over 10 lbs of fish; no amount of water change is going to compensate for that in a 120 gal.)
4 years, even male convict should expect to be something like this:http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/bercom/6x13.jpg But I would bet most of these fish remain small and undeveloped.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

So would I.
It's not how I like to keep fish.When I said it's incredible it was said tongue in cheek.

 

[BC in SK]

Not everybody's experience will be the same.

No doubt, there is a 1000 variables. Each fish is an individual and every circumstance/situation is at least a little bit different.
But I have read a lot on forums for the last 10 years. Many people have tried salvini, and often as your suggesting. I have yet to find one thread that shows long term success with this set up.
From my own perspective, I am not real keen on just a pair of CA cichlids in a tank with out other cichlid tank mates.....but I don't rule it out as an option in a tank that incorporates a good divider. My own experience with many CA pairs that have gotten along fine in a community tank....... sometimes about 20 minutes by themselves in a tank is about all the time I need to Know there is no way there going to get along in that situation!
I don't buy the notion of ''well bonded pair". Some individuals will get along much better then others, but things can change on a dime, and a large male is capable of killing in a matter of minutes to hours. In nature there is a breeding season. Once fry are let go, they go there separate ways. It's an adaptation to captivity. Stuck in one place and abundance of calories keeping the female ready to lay frequently. But it is often the threat of other cichlids that keeps the pair together claiming a territory between spawns. Or at least the distaraction and diversion of other tank mates keeping the male form focusing too much on the female.

Quite high if you get a well bonded pair.

Just curious how many times and for how many years?

The last time I kept them was with large b a tetras, no problems at all.

If they can swallow giant danios, they can just as easily swallow BA tetras. I'm not saying that happens every time, only that there is a definite risk. Of course the sals have to be large enough and it's certainly riskier when they are still rapidly growing. Older sals , IME, are often too lazy though there is still risk.
Seen a few threads where the aquarist went through a lot of dithers (all kinds including BA's and GD's), as young breeding sals would kill them fairly quickly after fry became free swimming.

 

[dan518]

op,,,,,, I think there are some basic rules around stocking and people can get ideas from other successful hobbyist but what works for one person wont necessarily work for someone else, you have to listen to what they say but ultimately it comes down to what works for the individual. I tried to copy some of Andy woods cichlids uk setups with out success, also tried doing the same as Stanzzzz7 with mixed results. Went my own direction and so far so good.

 

[Frank Castle]

I don't think it is all that incredible that these fish survive for maybe 4 years.
Something is definitely kept down. And I doubt most of these fish come anywhere near achieving their potential development. A severe lack of space, add to that frank's idea of filling the tank with excessive decor and essentially taking even more space away ---there could be a status quo and nobody with the opportunity or position to 'rock the boat'.
Add to that almost certain inferior water quality. That in itself sometimes makes some fish less healthy and less aggressive (if all these fish achieve their potential it's over 10 lbs of fish; no amount of water change is going to compensate for that in a 120 gal.)
4 years, even male convict should expect to be something like this:http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa480/bercom/6x13.jpg But I would bet most of these fish remain small and undeveloped.

you think you're hot stuff just cuz you're a Mod on that lousy Cichlid website, don't you? You don't know me or my skill level, so keep your inaccurate assumptions to yourself. I bet I been keeping ectotherms longer than you been alive.
Why don't you ask the guy who paid me hundreds of dollars for all the fish in the tank? Why don't you ask WHY i'm one of the best SA/CA breeders in the area? WHY most of all, can all these people BARELY WAIT until I bring them new fish for sale.

I'll tell you where you can shove your opinion......the same place you can shove your naïve, ignorant, random guesses. make no mistake, Sir when you speak to me, you are speaking to a 30 year man. I've dealt with animals that make most people soil their undergarments, so don't try that stuff with me.

As far as i'm concerned you're just a mod on another fish forum and not a very good forum at that. ANYONE can become a mod if you know how to pull strings and get good w/ the right people. Don't be mad at me because you can't accept fact. I raise healthy fish, period. FACT, fish won't breed in poor water quality and if they do the fry won't survive. FACT every pair I ever had bred constantly. FACT, you make assumptions based on nothing. FACT, people who assume to much - just like you are the reason MFK is the only website I frequent or have used in the past decade.

 

[Reiner]

Frank do you have a pic of all those fish fully grown in the 120?

 

[Frank Castle]

Frank do you have a pic of all those fish fully grown in the 120?

lol from 4 years ago? hah yea, sure thing, Pal

my mistake - 5 years ago....

LOL @ 10 lbs......SOMEONE clearly doesn't know size-to-weight ratios. Fish stories hahahaha

Just from personal experience even a HEALTHY Bass generally has to measure at least 14" before it even weighs 1 lb., many it takes even longer

 

[BC in SK]

Not a mod, nor have I ever been so, on any forum. Not sure what that has to do with salvini anyways.
That you're getting personal and taking offense to my opinion.... that is your choice.
It's supposed to be a discussion about fish.

 

[Reiner]

lol from 4 years ago? hah yea, sure thing, Pal

my mistake - 5 years ago....

yeah that's what i though, Pal

 

[Frank Castle]

yeah that's what i though, Pal

Ok, how about I just post some random pictures of someone else's tank w/ the exact same fish and just pretend it's mine.

You won't now the difference anyway. Just because I posted hundreds of pictures on this websites isn't PROOF they are even my tanks or my fish. I could also be a half-rooster, half-squirrel that has a mild understanding of algebra too.